Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
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13-03-2017, 05:37 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
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13-03-2017, 06:23 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Hypothesis statement: The teachings of Jesus are the truth which the other writings in the Bible bear witness to them.

Dependant variable: The words accredited to Jesus in the Gospels
Independent variables: All the other writings in the Bible.

Test: find evidence that either supports or falsifies anything accredited to Jesus.
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13-03-2017, 06:36 AM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2017 06:51 AM by TheInquisition.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 06:23 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Hypothesis statement: The teachings of Jesus are the truth which the other writings in the Bible bear witness to them.

Dependant variable: The words accredited to Jesus in the Gospels
Independent variables: All the other writings in the Bible.

Test: find evidence that either supports or falsifies anything accredited to Jesus.

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13-03-2017, 06:36 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
That's not how you explain the hypothesis statement. The stories in the old testament show what jesus says in the new testament.
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13-03-2017, 06:51 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 06:36 AM)socialistview Wrote:  That's not how you explain the hypothesis statement. The stories in the old testament show what jesus says in the new testament.

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13-03-2017, 07:14 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 06:23 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Hypothesis statement: The teachings of Jesus are the truth which the other writings in the Bible bear witness to them.

Dependant variable: The words accredited to Jesus in the Gospels
Independent variables: All the other writings in the Bible.

Test: find evidence that either supports or falsifies anything accredited to Jesus.

Alright. What statements of Jesus do you propose to test for truth and how do you propose to test them - in detail, not just "I propose to look for evidence".

For example there is the claim that if your faith is sufficient you will be able to move a mountain. Superficially this looks testable, but we instantly run into difficulties:
1. If the mountain fails to move, how do we know if there was insufficient faith or not?
2. If the mountain does move (all geological features experience some seismic events sometimes), how do we know it was due to prayer?

I'm sure there are other statements of a similar nature.

Again, Jesus claims "Ask and it will be given to you" - well I asked plenty and got diddly squat. Propose to me a scientific test for this statement.

Jesus says lots of stuff about e.g. morality, what happens when you die, what's right (believing him), what's unspeakably evil (not believing him) and so forth. Not a lot of actually testable stuff that I can recall.

Even if Jesus did get a lot of testable stuff on point, it wouldn't imply that any of the more woo-woo shit was correct. After all Isaac Newton was quite heavily interested in alchemy, another discredited field although it did have the virtue that it's practitioners were quite good proto-scientists, and eventually the good bits of it were incorporated into chemistry.

Also note that the fact that you can find bits of the Bible that support what other bits of the Bible say, doesn't say anything about the truth of anything contained in the Bible. After all, the Lord Of the Rings is also a self-consistent document. So too is the Quran.

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13-03-2017, 07:20 AM
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This came up in another thread:

Jesus said that the world would end within the lifetime of the people he was talking to.

Didn't happen. Falsified.

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13-03-2017, 07:25 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 06:23 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Hypothesis statement: The teachings of Jesus are the truth which the other writings in the Bible bear witness to them.

Dependant variable: The words accredited to Jesus in the Gospels
Independent variables: All the other writings in the Bible.

Test: find evidence that either supports or falsifies anything accredited to Jesus.

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13-03-2017, 07:45 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 07:14 AM)morondog Wrote:  Jesus says lots of stuff about e.g. morality, what happens when you die... Not a lot of actually testable stuff that I can recall.

When I was a believer, this bit always puzzled me.

People in the bible raised from the dead include:
  • Widow of Zarephath's son (I Ki 17:17-24) raised by Elijah
  • Shunamite's son (II Ki 4:20-37) raised by Elisha
  • Unidentified man tossed into Elisha's tomb (II Ki 13:21) raised by God's Spirit
  • Widow of Nain's son (Lk 7:11-16) raised by Jesus
  • Synagogue ruler Jairus' 12-year-old daughter (Mk 5:35-43) raised by Jesus
  • Lazarus (Jn 11:1-44) raised by Jesus
  • Tabitha (aka Dorcas) (Acts 9:36-41) raised by Peter
  • Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12) raised by Paul
  • And then, of course, the hordes that emerged from their graves when Jesus was crucified (Mt 27:51-53).
And what did they say about their after-death experiences?

N O T H I N G

Not a word.

One would think that, given Jesus' message of a heavenly reward, eternal bliss etc etc at least one of them would offer up a description of their post-death experience. But instead, nothing. Nada.
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13-03-2017, 08:51 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 07:45 AM)Heath_Tierney Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 07:14 AM)morondog Wrote:  Jesus says lots of stuff about e.g. morality, what happens when you die... Not a lot of actually testable stuff that I can recall.

When I was a believer, this bit always puzzled me.

People in the bible raised from the dead include:
  • Widow of Zarephath's son (I Ki 17:17-24) raised by Elijah
  • Shunamite's son (II Ki 4:20-37) raised by Elisha
  • Unidentified man tossed into Elisha's tomb (II Ki 13:21) raised by God's Spirit
  • Widow of Nain's son (Lk 7:11-16) raised by Jesus
  • Synagogue ruler Jairus' 12-year-old daughter (Mk 5:35-43) raised by Jesus
  • Lazarus (Jn 11:1-44) raised by Jesus
  • Tabitha (aka Dorcas) (Acts 9:36-41) raised by Peter
  • Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12) raised by Paul
  • And then, of course, the hordes that emerged from their graves when Jesus was crucified (Mt 27:51-53).
And what did they say about their after-death experiences?

N O T H I N G

Not a word.

One would think that, given Jesus' message of a heavenly reward, eternal bliss etc etc at least one of them would offer up a description of their post-death experience. But instead, nothing. Nada.

The Gospel of Nicodemus recounts a tale of the sons of the high priest Simeon that died before Jesus was crucified and were resurrected after he died. The famous zombies of Matthew. Laugh out load

In it they recount a tale of Jesus in the underworld where the "prince of Hell" converses with Satan and Jesus while in hell. The prince; in the original Greek, is none other than Hades from Greek mythology.

I wonder why they don't cite this as testimony? Laugh out load

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