Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
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14-03-2017, 06:23 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 08:13 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 06:22 PM)JesseB Wrote:  Simple test for the claim that religion and science are both searching for truth.

Question: Can you accept the possibility that there is no god? If there isn't a preponderance of evidence to back up the claim on a god will you walk away from religion?

If you say you would continue to believe, then no religion isn't the search for truth. It's choosing to view the world the way you want because you want it to be that way regardless of the truth.

If you say you would walk away without sufficient evidence for the god claim, then welcome future atheist. lol (its a joke calm down)

There would have be significant evidence to show there is no God.

But there is no significant evidence FOR god.
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14-03-2017, 06:24 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  I can back all this up with testimonial evidence from scripture.

Quotes from the bible, supporting a religious claim based on the bible, is not, I'm sure you can see, evidence. It's called circular reasoning and is both irrelevant and irrational.

I'm not saying you are irrelevant or irrational, just that an argument based on scripture isn't an argument at all.
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14-03-2017, 06:25 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 08:24 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 08:19 PM)JesseB Wrote:  There's no reason to accept the claim of god without evidence. Therefor Atheist is the default position. If you can't back it up then if you're after the truth the next step would be to walk away, aka become a non believer, an atheist. Until such a time as evidence would suggest otherwise. Which is the point. Theists claim to be after the truth but can't even consider they may be wrong, there's no search for truth in that, only confirmation bias.

The default position for me is to search for the evidence, not to demand it from others. I have more than enough evidence to convince me but it would not be accepted as such by y'all, so there is no use to share that.

It's a lower bar for evidence when you're looking to be emotionally convinced of something.
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14-03-2017, 06:27 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 09:51 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I ment abraham. Think like this a pastor lady who gave me my prophecies told us about her story when another lady told her she would become a preacher someday. She said ill be in the club till I die. She got breast cancer survived and now a preacher.

Think like what?!
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14-03-2017, 06:28 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 10:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  She told I will be a missionary to the world and that the whole world will know me. And that went with tarot cards online I did which said I will be rich and famous in the future.

OMG, how gullible. Do you play poker?Big Grin
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14-03-2017, 06:35 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:16 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  1) Jesus, as all men, had to learn during His life.

So he was not the son of god.

You can't have it both ways. If he was god, he knew. If he was not god, then you're worshipping a false god. Either way, you lose.

(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  2) Jesus never said that the man's impotency was because of sin, just that something worse would happen to him if he continued in his unbelief which is the only true sin there is.

Unfortunately for you that doctrine has been taught by multiple Christian sects since the beginning. Even today it is still taught that the evils of the world are caused by the sin of mankind.

(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Good try though. I can back all this up with testimonial evidence from scripture.

No, you are twisting and manipulating eons-old texts to fit your views. Views which you are projecting onto your imaginary friend and foisting on us to prop up your own ego.

(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Offered in the Love of Christ,
Harold Smile Smile Smile

LPT Harold: If someone tells you "I love you, but if you don't love me back, I'll burn you alive." that's not love, son. That's fucked up.

1) The Son was sent to experience all the trials, tribulations, and temptations as all mankind does.

Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

2) It should be obvious by now that I d not hold or agree with traditional Christian dogma.

3) I do not twist anything, but only share what has been revealed to me.

4) Jesus never said anything about love me or burn.
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14-03-2017, 06:39 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:25 AM)kemo boy Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 08:24 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  The default position for me is to search for the evidence, not to demand it from others. I have more than enough evidence to convince me but it would not be accepted as such by y'all, so there is no use to share that.

It's a lower bar for evidence when you're looking to be emotionally convinced of something.
You are making an assumption that is what I've done. It has nothing to do with me wanting to be be convinced of something, emotionally or otherwise. If it was, I would hold to the religious dogmas taught by men.
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14-03-2017, 06:42 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Still recovering from an injured hand. Once its healed up sufficiently so I can type easier, then will continue on the subject of how and why the fulfillment of the Jewish fable of Adam and Eve was done.
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14-03-2017, 06:47 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:35 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 06:16 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  So he was not the son of god.

You can't have it both ways. If he was god, he knew. If he was not god, then you're worshipping a false god. Either way, you lose.


Unfortunately for you that doctrine has been taught by multiple Christian sects since the beginning. Even today it is still taught that the evils of the world are caused by the sin of mankind.


No, you are twisting and manipulating eons-old texts to fit your views. Views which you are projecting onto your imaginary friend and foisting on us to prop up your own ego.


LPT Harold: If someone tells you "I love you, but if you don't love me back, I'll burn you alive." that's not love, son. That's fucked up.

1) The Son was sent to experience all the trials, tribulations, and temptations as all mankind does.

Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

2) It should be obvious by now that I d not hold or agree with traditional Christian dogma.

3) I do not twist anything, but only share what has been revealed to me.

4) Jesus never said anything about love me or burn.

Revealed to you, oh special snowflake. How did you determine if it was god, Satan or you making stuff up?

To even assert that your special interpretations are from a god is the height of human hubris. This is why so many people engage in this behavior, it's nice to think that you alone have wisdom from on high.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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14-03-2017, 06:57 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:47 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  Revealed to you, oh special snowflake. How did you determine if it was god, Satan or you making stuff up?

To even assert that your special interpretations are from a god is the height of human hubris. This is why so many people engage in this behavior, it's nice to think that you alone have wisdom from on high.

Yet humility is the mark of the prophet. And you forgot aliens; that was like the first thing I thought when god showed up at the job site. Fucking aliens. Cool

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