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14-03-2017, 07:32 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 08:24 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  The default position for me is to search for the evidence, not to demand it from others.

When somebody makes a claim the onus is not on you to search for evidence. You can certainly do that if you want, but if anybody wants you to believe a claim that they are making then they are obligated to provide evidence.

If you want to claim that you believe a god exists and you don't care if we believe then you've already accomplished that so... bye. If you think we should believe then provide the evidence.

Quote: I have more than enough evidence to convince me but it would not be accepted as such by y'all, so there is no use to share that.

Evidence is not personal.

(14-03-2017 06:35 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  4) Jesus never said anything about love me or burn.

matthew 13
30: Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

40-42: As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

49-50: This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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14-03-2017, 07:38 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 07:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 08:24 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  The default position for me is to search for the evidence, not to demand it from others.

When somebody makes a claim the onus is not on you to search for evidence. You can certainly do that if you want, but if anybody wants you to believe a claim that they are making then they are obligated to provide evidence.

If you want to claim that you believe a god exists and you don't care if we believe then you've already accomplished that so... bye. If you think we should believe then provide the evidence.

Quote: I have more than enough evidence to convince me but it would not be accepted as such by y'all, so there is no use to share that.

Evidence is not personal.

(14-03-2017 06:35 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  4) Jesus never said anything about love me or burn.

matthew 13
30: Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

40-42: As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

49-50: This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Tares are not people, but lies. They are said to be the children of the evil one. Jesus says Satan is the father of all lies.

This teachings is about gathering the things written in the Bible that are ascribed to God but are not of God. These are the tares or the children of Satan.
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14-03-2017, 07:45 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 07:38 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 07:32 AM)unfogged Wrote:  When somebody makes a claim the onus is not on you to search for evidence. You can certainly do that if you want, but if anybody wants you to believe a claim that they are making then they are obligated to provide evidence.

If you want to claim that you believe a god exists and you don't care if we believe then you've already accomplished that so... bye. If you think we should believe then provide the evidence.


Evidence is not personal.


matthew 13
30: Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

40-42: As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth

49-50: This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Tares are not people, but lies. They are said to be the children of the evil one. Jesus says Satan is the father of all lies.

This teachings is about gathering the things written in the Bible that are ascribed to God but are not of God. These are the tares or the children of Satan.

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The text is quite plain that it is talking about eternal torment for people no matter how apologists try to twist it to be something else.

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14-03-2017, 07:52 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 08:13 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  There would have be significant evidence to show there is no God.

Then please drop all this nonsense about being "scientific". If you were then you'd withhold belief until there was significant evidence (demonstrable, testable, and tied to real things, not just internal consistency in a story) to show that there is a god.

(14-03-2017 06:42 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Still recovering from an injured hand. Once its healed up sufficiently so I can type easier, then will continue on the subject of how and why the fulfillment of the Jewish fable of Adam and Eve was done.

If you are going to demonstrate how that was done within the text of the bible why bother? This is not a literary criticism forum. We care about what ties to reality, not whether Jewish mythology is internally consistent. I don't understand why you don't seem to grok that.

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14-03-2017, 08:53 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:27 AM)kemo boy Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 09:51 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I ment abraham. Think like this a pastor lady who gave me my prophecies told us about her story when another lady told her she would become a preacher someday. She said ill be in the club till I die. She got breast cancer survived and now a preacher.

Think like what?!

"Think like a pastor lady"

Of course....
Try it.....

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14-03-2017, 09:05 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:35 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 06:16 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  So he was not the son of god.

You can't have it both ways. If he was god, he knew. If he was not god, then you're worshipping a false god. Either way, you lose.


Unfortunately for you that doctrine has been taught by multiple Christian sects since the beginning. Even today it is still taught that the evils of the world are caused by the sin of mankind.


No, you are twisting and manipulating eons-old texts to fit your views. Views which you are projecting onto your imaginary friend and foisting on us to prop up your own ego.


LPT Harold: If someone tells you "I love you, but if you don't love me back, I'll burn you alive." that's not love, son. That's fucked up.

1) The Son was sent to experience all the trials, tribulations, and temptations as all mankind does.

Luk 22:28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

2) It should be obvious by now that I d not hold or agree with traditional Christian dogma.

3) I do not twist anything, but only share what has been revealed to me.

4) Jesus never said anything about love me or burn.

1. So he's a masochist. Interesting.
2. Clearly but that's irrelevant.
3. You reveal things to yourself then try to convince others.
4. Matthew 5:29
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out,
and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for
thee that one of thy members should perish, and
not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Don't lie to an Atheist unless you want your bullshit called out. He doesn't have to say "Love me or burn" to get the message across. You conveniently forget that he said if you love me you'll keep my teachings (paraphrasing) and also threatens hell for not keeping his teachings..... You appear to be very ignorant or very dishonest.

Oh, there's no commandment against lying, so I guess your god has no problems with this huh?

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14-03-2017, 09:15 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 05:51 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  I can back all this up with testimonial evidence from scripture.

Ah, there's your problem. Scripture is not evidence at all; it is merely an assertion. I, for one, reject all scriptures from all religions as evidence for any claims they make.

If you want to study scripture scientifically, you have to use science rather than theology.

I'm sorry, but your beliefs are much too silly to take seriously. Got anything else we can discuss?
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14-03-2017, 11:36 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Pages: 40
Science: 0

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14-03-2017, 11:37 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 11:36 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Pages: 40
Science: 0

I guess that right there kinda answers the OP lol

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14-03-2017, 01:07 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 06:35 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  2) It should be obvious by now that I d not hold or agree with traditional Christian dogma.

So you admit you are just another nut case, dropping in, to inflict your personal nonsense on the forum.

Quote:3) I do not twist anything, but only share what has been revealed to me.

You mean the garbage that you made up. Every kook on the planet says shit was "revealed" to them.

Jesus "fulfilled" nothing from the Garden myth, in Genesis. No one says that. No one. The concept of a messiah had not even arisen yet, when those texts were edited and combined. Adam and Eve were taken from the myths of the time, and re-worked into a story about chaos and order, (see Jewish scholar/philosopher, Martin Buber's "Good and Evil", Part II).

You are incompetent to even begin to discuss this subject, as well as a lying hypocrite. You attempted to give authority to your crap by claiming somehow it was "scientific". It's neither scientific nor does it reflect even the most basic education about the texts.

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