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14-03-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
OP I did kinda give you a short explanation of the scientific method earlier. So don't come along with your 'revealed' nonsense. Have you *ever* heard a scientist stand up and say "It was revealed to me that..." ??? For fuck's sake, the only people that do that kind of stupid shit are preachy evangelical nitwits. No one does science like that.

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14-03-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 02:09 PM)morondog Wrote:  OP I did kinda give you a short explanation of the scientific method earlier. So don't come along with your 'revealed' nonsense. Have you *ever* heard a scientist stand up and say "It was revealed to me that..." ??? For fuck's sake, the only people that do that kind of stupid shit are preachy evangelical nitwits. No one does science like that.




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14-03-2017, 04:59 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 02:18 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 02:09 PM)morondog Wrote:  OP I did kinda give you a short explanation of the scientific method earlier. So don't come along with your 'revealed' nonsense. Have you *ever* heard a scientist stand up and say "It was revealed to me that..." ??? For fuck's sake, the only people that do that kind of stupid shit are preachy evangelical nitwits. No one does science like that.




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15-03-2017, 03:10 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?

It really isn't science's job to do this, it is in the realm of philosophy. But in a loose sense, yes, we can test this "scientifically".


Mark 11:22-24
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those
things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have
whatsoever he saith.
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or
else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the
works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these
shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.

James 5:13-15
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let
him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the
church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in
the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord
shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be
forgiven him.

----


Now, do these promises work? Do we get these vast miracle working abilities?

No. Christianity has the peculiar quality that because of these big promises, we can actually directly test Christianity, as it were in a "scientific" manner and it fails the basic test.

In England, scientists have long had a homely little catchphrase. "Suck it and see". That is test your theories. Christianity does not pass the suck it and see test.

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15-03-2017, 03:39 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(14-03-2017 04:59 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(14-03-2017 02:18 PM)unfogged Wrote:  


I would totally marry that man... Or Bill Nye... Or Patrick Stewart....

If anyone can hook me up >.> *cough*

Okay, but only as long as I get Neil deGrasse-Tyson.

I'm straight and married to a woman... but she and I both agree that if he asks either of us out, the marriage is off. Laugh out load

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15-03-2017, 03:42 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 03:10 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?

It really isn't science's job to do this, it is in the realm of philosophy. But in a loose sense, yes, we can test this "scientifically".

[edited out scripture quotations]

Now, do these promises work? Do we get these vast miracle working abilities?

No. Christianity has the peculiar quality that because of these big promises, we can actually directly test Christianity, as it were in a "scientific" manner and it fails the basic test.

In England, scientists have long had a homely little catchphrase. "Suck it and see". That is test your theories. Christianity does not pass the suck it and see test.

I think the efficacy of prayer studies indicate that we can indeed evaluate the claims of religion scientifically.

And when we do test the magical powers claimed by the Christian religion, such as prayer and healing, the results that are achieved from double-blind studies tend to demonstrate a god that is indistinguishable from randomness... or non-existence.

Funny, that.

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15-03-2017, 04:22 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 03:42 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 03:10 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  It really isn't science's job to do this, it is in the realm of philosophy. But in a loose sense, yes, we can test this "scientifically".

[edited out scripture quotations]

Now, do these promises work? Do we get these vast miracle working abilities?

No. Christianity has the peculiar quality that because of these big promises, we can actually directly test Christianity, as it were in a "scientific" manner and it fails the basic test.

In England, scientists have long had a homely little catchphrase. "Suck it and see". That is test your theories. Christianity does not pass the suck it and see test.

I think the efficacy of prayer studies indicate that we can indeed evaluate the claims of religion scientifically.

And when we do test the magical powers claimed by the Christian religion, such as prayer and healing, the results that are achieved from double-blind studies tend to demonstrate a god that is indistinguishable from randomness... or non-existence.

Funny, that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on...ory_prayer



Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernible effect" while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings.[1][2]

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17 studies and no big results. No throwing mountains into the sea though.

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15-03-2017, 06:22 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
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15-03-2017, 07:45 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 03:10 AM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(01-03-2017 07:21 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?

It really isn't science's job to do this, it is in the realm of philosophy. But in a loose sense, yes, we can test this "scientifically".


Mark 11:22-24
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those
things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have
whatsoever he saith.
24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

John 14
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or
else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the
works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these
shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that
the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


Mark 16:17-18
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name
shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly
thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick,
and they shall recover.

James 5:13-15
13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let
him sing psalms.
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the
church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in
the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord
shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be
forgiven him.

----


Now, do these promises work? Do we get these vast miracle working abilities?

No. Christianity has the peculiar quality that because of these big promises, we can actually directly test Christianity, as it were in a "scientific" manner and it fails the basic test.

In England, scientists have long had a homely little catchphrase. "Suck it and see". That is test your theories. Christianity does not pass the suck it and see test.
The James quote does not qualify since it is not ascribed to Jesus.

The others I will address in time. But not in the way it is usually addressed in Christianity.
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15-03-2017, 08:36 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(13-03-2017 09:56 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 09:51 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I ment abraham. Think like this a pastor lady who gave me my prophecies told us about her story when another lady told her she would become a preacher someday. She said ill be in the club till I die. She got breast cancer survived and now a preacher.

She survived cancer, now she's a preacher.

Reality? Two separate events not correlated.

To you? Must be some meaningful connection there somewhere.

If she was an Atheist she would have had just as much chance at surviving cancer. Same if she was a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist ect. That part of your statement is a non sequitur

Also.... prophesies? really? sigh..... And you expect people to take you seriously?

She's a pastor now which she said she wouldn't become and surving cancer with the other lady not knowing she would get cancer.
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