Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
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15-03-2017, 11:46 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 08:47 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 08:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  John 14

Iliad, book 1: Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another.

See.. I can quote from old books of mythology too. They aren't history, they are fables.

Iliad is a whole million times better than the Bible. Bible is shitty literature. At least in the Iliad they had a rather nice chivalric society. Iliad, some guy gets killed in a nasty way and his body disrespected, it's a source of great shame to all concerned. Bible is goddamn *full* of murder and killing and no morality whatsoever. If I had to take a book as my guiding light, I could do a hell of a lot worse than the Iliad.

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16-03-2017, 03:34 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 11:46 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 08:47 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Iliad, book 1: Sing, O goddess, the anger of Achilles son of Peleus, that brought countless ills upon the Achaeans. Many a brave soul did it send hurrying down to Hades, and many a hero did it yield a prey to dogs and vultures, for so were the counsels of Jove fulfilled from the day on which the son of Atreus, king of men, and great Achilles, first fell out with one another.

See.. I can quote from old books of mythology too. They aren't history, they are fables.

Iliad is a whole million times better than the Bible. Bible is shitty literature. At least in the Iliad they had a rather nice chivalric society. Iliad, some guy gets killed in a nasty way and his body disrespected, it's a source of great shame to all concerned. Bible is goddamn *full* of murder and killing and no morality whatsoever. If I had to take a book as my guiding light, I could do a hell of a lot worse than the Iliad.

On top of that we have achaeological evidence of the existence of Troy and wars having been fought around it.
Thats two things you cant say about many/most places and wars in the bible.
The Iliad is historically probably way more accurate than the bible. After all Schliemann found Troy by looking for clues in the Iliad.

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16-03-2017, 05:38 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 04:41 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  If that is true, then ...

Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

As far as Christian sites, or other sites in general, I can't say.

As far as this site, I would be shocked if anyone here felt hatred for you.
Pity? Probably. Annoyance? Yup. Mockery? Oh fuck yes. Hatred? Doubt it.

People will reproach you when you commit actions that are deemed inappropriate. You are making grandiose claims with no authority.
Specifically, you are claiming that god has revealed the truth to you.
You are claiming that the creator of the entire universe speaks to you.
You are telling believer and nonbeliever that you and only you have the correct understanding of god.

And what do you offer?

Nothing. No evidence. No proof. Nothing.

You refuse to answer most questions.
You refuse to offer any proof of any of your claims.
The answers that you do give are either flawed or based on faulty logic.
You redefine the legends and myths, twisting the doctrines and theology.
You are essentially creating your own religion.

Now you attempt to play the martyr. A pathetic tactic that's usually trotted out after the "victim" has been soundly defeated and is looking to save face.

If your god was real, why didn't he give you better arguments?

If your god created us, he also created our unbelief. Why didn't he tell you the secret to making us believe?

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16-03-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
Sorry hecrow55, but as Christopher Hitchens once said; "Don't waste my time. It's bullshit."
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16-03-2017, 12:54 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(15-03-2017 08:36 PM)socialistview Wrote:  John 14

22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. "

Do you love Jesus? Do you follow his teachings? Have you sold all you have and given to the poor as Jesus commanded many times? Why not? How many of today's Christians really love Jesus? And follow his teachings?

Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Yog Sothoth! Yog Sothoth! Come back old ones! Yog Sothoth!

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16-03-2017, 01:02 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
I think Jesus meant the teachings of his they were going to do anyway.

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16-03-2017, 01:04 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME...CTION=HOME

In sect that shuns medicine, case against pastor is novel

READING, Pa. (AP) - A pastor in a fundamentalist Christian sect that rejects doctors and drugs has been charged in the death of a child - his own granddaughter - from medical neglect. The novel prosecution is raising hopes among some advocates that it might spur change in a church that has resisted it. Faith Tabernacle Congregation has long told adherents to place their trust in God alone for healing. As a result, dozens of children, mostly in Pennsylvania, have died of preventable and treatable illnesses. Church members reject modern medicine as a bedrock tenet of their faith, even as some have faced manslaughter charges in child deaths dating back 35 years.

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A test! A test! Here we see the miracle working promise of the Bible put to the test. Is this Bible miracle working thing working out as promised?

Mark 16:18
... they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

James 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord
shall raise him up;...

And remember, A fool does not learn from his mistakes, a smart man learns from his mistakes, a wise man learns from other men's mistakes.

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16-03-2017, 03:07 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(16-03-2017 12:54 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  Luke 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Well but that's too radical. Clearly he didn't literally mean that, because we know that god won't REALLY provide all your needs according to his riches in Christ Jesus, so we have to work, and own things, because god helps those who help themselves. That would make us a nation of takers and freeloaders! Can't have that!

No, what he MUST HAVE meant is to forsake anything you're overly attached to, your besetting sins and excessive toys and hobbies that might even occasionally encroach on your putting in appearances at church services and participating in church activities or might tempt you not to give generously enough to the church or that might give you the notion that you can think for yourself or take care of yourself.

Besides, if the interpretation of what Jesus said sounds at all communistic, it MUST be wrong!
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16-03-2017, 03:24 PM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(16-03-2017 03:07 PM)mordant Wrote:  Besides, if the interpretation of what Jesus said sounds at all communistic, it MUST be wrong!

Idiots don't understand that he's like one of the OG pinko commie bastards. Morons haven't even bothered to read their own book. They should start with the fourth and fifth wild and crazy acts of the apostles.

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16-03-2017, 03:28 PM (This post was last modified: 16-03-2017 03:33 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(16-03-2017 01:02 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  I think Jesus meant the teachings of his they were going to do anyway.

I think he just kept saying "Try not to be a dick." and had to say it in a bunch of different ways because everyone was looking at him like he was batshit bonkers. Which of course he was. "Wait, let me get this straight, you want me to give away all my shit and go camping in the desert with you where we will survive off locusts and honey? Maybe if you're Bear Grylls."

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