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22-03-2017, 12:41 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 06:17 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 05:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How do you know that show me what you know about the geological records and archeological evidence for genesis and exodus.

Egypt controlled the entire Near East. It would make NO SENSE for the Jews to go from one place they controlled to another place they controlled. There is NO evidence for an Exodus.
Genesis is known by scholars to be a combinations of myths.
You know NOTHING about the Bible.

And stop quoting the Bible, UNTIL you have PROVEN it has any authority.




I take issue with the history channel dude saying that the 10 commandments is a foundation of modern morality.

Out of all the commandments (even including the tons of ones not listed in the big 10), there's only like what 4? that are generally accepted by any society, including Christians and Jews. Those few ones that people are ok with, also happen to be FAR older than the bible, and pretty close to ubiquitous in society across the world throughout history. Without the bible those few rules would likely be just as common today anyway. Then you have a bunch that are just kinda pointless and useless, then you have a bunch ranging from totally reprehensible, to utterly absurd.

Regardless, no social or legal sense of ethics or morality has ever really been drawn from anywhere in the bible, let alone the old testament. I doubt the bible's rules were ever even commonly enforced in the time period claimed. Then again all those stories were written long past anyone who lived there had died and their memories faded from history. (translation, the bible has nothing to do with the time periods it's writing about ever, there's no evidence the stories were written anywhere near the time periods described at any point, I admit once again I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty sure if you look it up you'll see what I mean).

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22-03-2017, 05:21 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 06:38 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 06:05 PM)socialistview Wrote:  1 corinthians 15

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 

That doesn't mention shame or humiliation; dishonor is close but not the same.

That aside, you claimed that Jesus said this. Why should we care that a fictionalized character said anything? Since there is zero evidence of a "spiritual body" it all seems rather pointless.

I went back and looked at 1 Corinthians... you claimed that Jesus said that but that's Paul giving his interpretation of what he believes and not him trying to quote anything Jesus said. Your gullibility is showing again.

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22-03-2017, 05:35 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 05:06 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How can you say with a clear concious that these are fables and it didnt happen?

How can you say that they did?
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22-03-2017, 05:36 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 05:56 PM)socialistview Wrote:  How do you know that show me what you know about the geological records and archeological evidence for genesis and exodus.

There is none.
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22-03-2017, 05:36 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 05:03 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 10:37 PM)Astreja Wrote:  Being hated gives you no actual benefits, hecrow, unless you just want an excuse to pat yourself on the back.

Jesus says die in shame and humiliation rise in glory. N

(22-03-2017 05:21 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 06:38 PM)unfogged Wrote:  That doesn't mention shame or humiliation; dishonor is close but not the same.

That aside, you claimed that Jesus said this. Why should we care that a fictionalized character said anything? Since there is zero evidence of a "spiritual body" it all seems rather pointless.

I went back and looked at 1 Corinthians... you claimed that Jesus said that but that's Paul giving his interpretation of what he believes and not him trying to quote anything Jesus said. Your gullibility is showing again.

He's practicing his ignorant paraphrasing again, quoting a partially remembered fragment and then getting important parts of it wrong.

In this case he said Jesus said something and it was Paul, who never quoted Jesus.

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22-03-2017, 05:37 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(21-03-2017 05:56 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  I am not aware of Jesus saying anything like this. Jesus' doctrine is about living, never dying.

Jesus' doctrine was "Repent the end is near." This was altered by later followers when the faithful aged and died without the end actually happening.

The vast majority of the christian religion developed decades and centuries after christ lived. Paul/Saul was responsible for much of it, and by his own admission, he never even met christ.

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22-03-2017, 05:38 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(22-03-2017 05:36 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  He's practicing his ignorant paraphrasing again, quoting a partially remembered fragment and then getting important parts of it wrong.

In this case he said Jesus said something and it was Paul, who never quoted Jesus.

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At least it was (mostly) coherent this time. Thumbsup

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22-03-2017, 06:03 AM (This post was last modified: 22-03-2017 06:12 AM by hecrow55.)
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(22-03-2017 05:37 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 05:56 PM)hecrow55 Wrote:  I am not aware of Jesus saying anything like this. Jesus' doctrine is about living, never dying.

Jesus' doctrine was "Repent the end is near." This was altered by later followers when the faithful aged and died without the end actually happening.

The vast majority of the christian religion developed decades and centuries after christ lived. Paul/Saul was responsible for much of it, and by his own admission, he never even met christ.

Can you site a source proving the following has been altered from what you are saying?

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Here are the Greek words and their possible translations and meanings:

Kingdom
βασιλεία basileia bas-il-i'-ah
From G935; properly royalty, that is, (abstractly) rule, or (concretely) a realm (literally or figuratively): - kingdom, + reign.

Heaven
οὐρανός ouranos oo-ran-os'
Perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension heaven (as the abode of God); by implication happiness, power, eternity; specifically the Gospel (Christianity): - air, heaven ([-ly]), sky.

Hand
ἐγγίζω eggizō eng-id'-zo
From G1451; to make near, that is, (reflexively) approach: - approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.

Try holding a Bible in your hand and say the line.
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22-03-2017, 06:27 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(22-03-2017 06:03 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  
(22-03-2017 05:37 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Jesus' doctrine was "Repent the end is near." This was altered by later followers when the faithful aged and died without the end actually happening.

The vast majority of the christian religion developed decades and centuries after christ lived. Paul/Saul was responsible for much of it, and by his own admission, he never even met christ.

Can you site a source proving the following has been altered from what you are saying?

Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Can you site a source proving that the above was actually spoken by jesus?

In any event, the quote you provided says what I stated: that christ's doctrine was essentially "repent the end is near." So far so good.

Now you ask where it was altered.

In the gospels jesus himself gives contradictory answers. In one place he says the end is near, in another he says no one knows. In any case, there are multiple places (cited below) where it contradicts jesus. The end times occurring within the "lifetime" of the writers is a far cry from "the end is near".

SAB: What the bible says about the End of the World

Quote:What the Bible says about the End of the World

The end will come within the lifetime of Jesus's listeners.
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew16:28
But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:27
Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew 23:36
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 24:34
Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 26:64
Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:1
Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Mark 13:30
And ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 14:62
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Luke 21:32
Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? John 21:22

The end will come within the lifetime of the the New Testament authors.
Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ ... that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 1:7-8
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none. 1 Corinthians 7:29
That ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. Philippians 1:10
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:23
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son.... Hebrews 1:2
But now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. Hebrews 9:26
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. 1 Peter 1:20
But the end of all things is at hand. 1 Peter 4:7
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 1 John 2:18
The end will come soon. (Within a couple thousand years or so.)
The Lord is at hand. Philippians 4:5
For the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. James 5:8
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Hebrews 10:37
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass. Revelation 1:1
The time is at hand. Revelation 1:3
Behold, I come quickly. Revelation 3:11, 22:7, 22:12
Surely I come quickly. Revelation 22:20

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22-03-2017, 06:29 AM
RE: Can the study of scripture be done in a scientific way?
(22-03-2017 06:03 AM)hecrow55 Wrote:  Try holding a Bible in your hand and say the line.

Which bible?

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