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18-11-2014, 01:24 PM
Can we know for certain?
Was watching a YT vid of Eric Hovind (who I want to slap every time he opens his mouth), in which he asks the question 'can we ever know anything with absolute certainty'. The crux being, if you say no, he'll ask 'are you absolutely certain'.

However it occurs to me that the answer should be 'yes' anyway. My reasoning is this. Certainty is a measure of confidence, not accuracy. We can be entirely confident of our answer... and still be wrong. It is, therefore, best to assume we can never prove anything beyond doubt in order to prevent being blinded by undeserved confidence in a position.

We could do a double on this:
The only constant is change.
The only thing we can be certain of is our uncertainty.

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18-11-2014, 01:28 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
There are lots of things we can know with absolute certainty due to direct evidence.
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18-11-2014, 01:37 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
I am certainly uncertain about the certainty of any of this.

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18-11-2014, 01:51 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
I’m confident/sure that no evidence exists to support the claim of a deity.
I’m confident/sure that no evidence is required for one to have faith. Faith isn’t about facts.

Having said that ^^ therefore, there always exists a possibility that something beyond the here and now exists. But the here and now is what is most certain.

Why focus on anything other than the here and now?

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18-11-2014, 01:52 PM
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Quote:Was watching a YT vid of Eric Hovind (who I want to slap every time he opens his mouth), in which he asks the question 'can we ever know anything with absolute certainty'

I know that Hovind is a fucking moron. Of this I am absolutely certain.

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18-11-2014, 02:03 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
There are some things that we cannot know 100% but you would have to outlive the lifetime of the universe for the chance of it happening. For example, a cold cup of coffee suddenly heating up by itself beyond room temperature.

If the probability of something being true is negligible then it should be considered for all intents and purposes absolutely false. We only have a short life to live and there are a myriad of far greater probabilities to worry about.

Or you can think of it another way. If the belief is logically inconsistent and ill defined then it is definitely false.

The existence of an omni-god can be considered impossible using either of the two conditions above.
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18-11-2014, 05:06 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
Some things such as Tautologies yes... anything beyond that, I don't really think so if you take absolutely to a full absolute stance. Certainty doesn't play into it to me, it's just absolutes in this case which are rather dumb anyway.

Say we are looking at a piece of matter, an atom or anything in particular. To truly know it with absolute measure to me would be to know everything about it. Maybe we know everything that it would have a purpose and is capable of doing, sure but we might never find the deepest internal sector and potential views of it from all ranges of light or sensations of other degrees that can be interacted with it.

But the answer to Hovid is... We don't know, and it's a positive attribute to not know.

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18-11-2014, 05:13 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
(18-11-2014 01:24 PM)OddGamer Wrote:  Was watching a YT vid of Eric Hovind (who I want to slap every time he opens his mouth), in which he asks the question 'can we ever know anything with absolute certainty'. The crux being, if you say no, he'll ask 'are you absolutely certain'.

However it occurs to me that the answer should be 'yes' anyway. My reasoning is this. Certainty is a measure of confidence, not accuracy. We can be entirely confident of our answer... and still be wrong. It is, therefore, best to assume we can never prove anything beyond doubt in order to prevent being blinded by undeserved confidence in a position.

We could do a double on this:
The only constant is change.
The only thing we can be certain of is our uncertainty.

What think ye?

I'd say to Hovind that I know only two things with an absolute assurance: Death and the fact that circular arguments are retarded.

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18-11-2014, 05:19 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
Yes, of course we can.

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18-11-2014, 05:25 PM
RE: Can we know for certain?
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
~something like that, famous philosopher.

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