Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
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13-04-2015, 04:30 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(12-04-2015 03:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote:  Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

You're asking the wrong question.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims... Drinking Beverage

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?
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13-04-2015, 04:35 PM (This post was last modified: 13-04-2015 04:50 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote:  Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

What sort of "powers" are you talking about ? Wandering, preaching "miracle" workers were a dime-a-dozen in the day he (supposedly) existed. The population believed in magic. What would deniers prove in an age where everyone bought that magic was everywhere, and apparently bought into the story that many people rose from the dead (Matthew) on Easter.

I had Madame Zelda check her crystal ball. She said he definitely did have "powers".

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13-04-2015, 04:53 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(13-04-2015 04:30 PM)TruthFire Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You're asking the wrong question.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims... Drinking Beverage

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?

Josephus wrote his book to prove that Vespasian (the Roman emperor) was the messiah. You sure that's a book you think you trust ? Tacitus said nothing about Jesus. He talked about members of of new cult, which, if it really did refer to Christians, he couldn't seem to spell correctly.

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13-04-2015, 06:03 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote:  Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

No one had electricity back then. However did they charge their cell phones?

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13-04-2015, 07:13 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(13-04-2015 04:30 PM)TruthFire Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You're asking the wrong question.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims... Drinking Beverage

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?

Tacitus was born 56AD
Josephus was born 37AD

Most scholars consider Josephus' reference to Jesus to be a forgery, put in there by a Christian at a much later date.

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13-04-2015, 07:15 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
There is not even enough evidence that the man himself actually existed, let alone that even a single thing that was ever recorded about him actually happened.

and that is ignoring all the "magic, demons, and other divine events etc".

So the answer is no.


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14-04-2015, 10:38 AM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(13-04-2015 04:30 PM)TruthFire Wrote:  
(12-04-2015 03:28 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You're asking the wrong question.

Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that attest that Jesus even existed?

No.

You might want to start with substantiating existence before you attempt defending miracle claims... Drinking Beverage

What is your opinion on non-Christian historical accounts such as Flavius Josephus and Publius Tacitus? Both sources agree that Jesus existed, causing many non-Christian historians to believe that Jesus at the very least existed.

Is there a reason why these accounts should be discredited?


There you go again... Dodgy

You are assuming that they are reliable sources, when the burden is actually upon you to show that they are reliable sources. As Bucky and Inquisition have already pointed out, we have very good reasons to doubt their validity.

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14-04-2015, 10:50 AM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote:  Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

As with all fiction, the 'powers' are just written into the story.

What good would superman be if they hadn't written into the story a detailed account of his superpowers?


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20-04-2015, 03:13 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
(12-04-2015 03:21 AM)TruthFire Wrote:  Are there any eyewitness historical accounts that deny that Jesus had powers?

It does not matter. It's those who believe in Jesus being son of god should have some proof of him performing miracles.

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20-04-2015, 11:35 PM
RE: Can we prove that Jesus didn't have power?
Day of the week?
Monday

Place?
School

Time of day?
During breakfast

Food and drink?
Grape-nuts and prune juice.

Fiction or non?
Fiction for nons.

Happy or gory?
Gory, but make it boring, monotone and slow.
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