Poll: Can the bomber be rehabilitated to be useful to the better evolution of our wonderful society?
yes, the bomber can be a commendable person of society
no, the bomber is not worth our time and efforts, and should be executed expeditiously, like Timothy McVeigh
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17-04-2013, 04:31 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
(17-04-2013 01:58 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(17-04-2013 01:47 PM)TheGulegon Wrote:  We'd have to have a penitentiary system designed to rehabilitate, first!! Undecided
Some, though, are beyond help! Might not be the norm, might even be the minority, but it's a cold hard fact that some do not wish to live in society w/o the option to hurt/maim/kill those who frustrate them!!

You do not believe our penitentiary system is designed to rehabilitate??? What the fuck have they been doing for the past 50 years with the tax money that is allotted to the system for rehabilitation?

You got some better ideas on how to do it?

Is it the Christians who are impeding the process? Who is to blame for the injustice that is going on?

What have we been doing? Sending pot smokers into a hell where they may have to join a gang, & kill to survive, and letting them back out better criminals than when they went in!

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17-04-2013, 05:29 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
(17-04-2013 02:09 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  The problem with the American prison system is that it's privatized.
It's run by people who are "for profit" and so there is absolutely no incentive to rehabilitate your clients...

The prison system is one of those industries that should be state owned and run with privatization only as means to supplement the market (though I would argue that in the prison industry, perhaps zero privatization is best).

Huh? Privately operated prisons are a thing in the US, and comprise a few percent of inmates. So I wouldn't call the system 'privatized'. I don't think it's a good thing to see the growth of privatization of prisons, but a few here and there with close oversight might be useful for the government to learn of efficiencies that typically only private industry excels in discovering.


(17-04-2013 12:40 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  It looks like the bomber built the bomb on site. We are debating the racial justice of the crime - is he black, or is she white???

So let us suppose the possibilities, and ultimately the punishment.

Since I don't know the race of the culprits yet, I will say emphatically that we should execute them. Don't bother rehabilitating. I generally oppose the death penalty, but committing acts designed to inflict mass casualty and death is beyond the help of rehabilitation. I don't care why they did it, and I don't care to help them.
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17-04-2013, 05:47 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
(17-04-2013 05:29 PM)BryanS Wrote:  
(17-04-2013 02:09 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  The problem with the American prison system is that it's privatized.
It's run by people who are "for profit" and so there is absolutely no incentive to rehabilitate your clients...

The prison system is one of those industries that should be state owned and run with privatization only as means to supplement the market (though I would argue that in the prison industry, perhaps zero privatization is best).

Huh? Privately operated prisons are a thing in the US, and comprise a few percent of inmates. So I wouldn't call the system 'privatized'. I don't think it's a good thing to see the growth of privatization of prisons, but a few here and there with close oversight might be useful for the government to learn of efficiencies that typically only private industry excels in discovering.


(17-04-2013 12:40 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  It looks like the bomber built the bomb on site. We are debating the racial justice of the crime - is he black, or is she white???

So let us suppose the possibilities, and ultimately the punishment.

Since I don't know the race of the culprits yet, I will say emphatically that we should execute them. Don't bother rehabilitating. I generally oppose the death penalty, but committing acts designed to inflict mass casualty and death is beyond the help of rehabilitation. I don't care why they did it, and I don't care to help them.

I must be misinformed.
I was under the impression the majority of American prisons were privately owned/operated. If not then your states run them like they are.

Prisons should not be profitable, they need to be a huge "waste of money" as incentive to rehabilitate inmates so they don't re-offend, costing you more money.

Quote:An efficient state would terminate their lives.

Yes and no..
It wouldn't be as clear cut as that. People who end up in prison 99% of their lives, yes it would be efficient to just knock them off. BUT some people are able to be rehabilitate/never offend again and they go on to work and stuff. So it would not be efficient to kill them.
BUT, that could be said also for welfare. Those that live off welfare for 99% of their lives, it would be more efficient for a country to simply shot them.
Or how about retirees? They don't work or do much and they collect pensions. It'd more more efficient to simply shot them all too.

Just because something is efficient, doesn't mean that it's what should be done. You need to take into account ethics and morals. ie: It's not really moral to line up all the old people and kill them all off. Some people might frown upon that.

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17-04-2013, 05:50 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
Impossible to answer that question until the person is caught and evaluated. But as I'm anti-death penalty I'll say YES.

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17-04-2013, 05:50 PM
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(17-04-2013 02:10 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  *doesn't want

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17-04-2013, 07:20 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
Since no one has been arrested, let alone tried and convicted, I'll assume that this is a hypothetical question and will answer in kind.
Obviously many people can be rehabilitated. Happens all the time. Sometimes even when quite horrible crimes are committed. It depends upon 1/the person, 2/whether or not the state is actually interested in the rehabilitation and 3/what resources they are willing to commit to it. All three need to be favourable and since we know the answer to 2 and 3 I would say; no. It is impossible.



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17-04-2013, 07:41 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
lol at the options...

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17-04-2013, 07:50 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
I feel like the poll you posted was awkward, and for that reason, I couldn't vote. After reading the only two options, I thought about this:

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Had it been a simple "yes or no" question, I might have been more tempted to vote. AND, even the "yes" option you have is a little vague. (Perhaps "vague" isn't the correct word, but it's very... "either THIS will happen or THIS will happen." Where's the many other possible options?)

Also, I saw something about the bomber's ethnicity; I don't see how that would play into my decision as to whether or not he/she is capable of being "rehabilitated." Drinking Beverage

I don't think anyone who doesn't WANT to be rehabilitated can be rehabilitated. We can't force the crazy outta them.

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17-04-2013, 08:32 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
To answer to the title of the thread; The Rehabilitation Theory of Punishment is a relatively recent one, and still has many issues that must be over-come (for example, it's individualistic nature) before it becomes a truly effective system (not to say that there is a 'truly effective' system of punishment, to my knowledge, there is not one), however it has seen some success where it has been employed, if done so correctly.
It is possible to 'rehabilitate' criminals, the point of rehabilitation is to try to prevent habitual offending so naturally it has little effect on 'institutionalised' criminals, those with long criminal histories and those with psychological problems, they are unlikely to be effected by usual Deterrence theory anyway at those points.

If Rehabilitation does not stick, or is otherwise inadvisable or rejected by the criminal, I am in favour of Protective/Preventative Theory, which tends to keep criminals away from society all together, thus protecting it, but that is just my personal taste.

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19-04-2013, 11:08 PM
RE: Can we rehabilitate the convicted?
Some probably can, but only if they choose to be rehabilitated.

The ones that won't, well.......they get the best seat in the house.


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