Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
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06-10-2014, 11:01 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 11:00 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
Quote:My life gives life meaning.
Doesn't make any sense

Define "meaning" for us, then.

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06-10-2014, 11:01 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 08:18 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  Also, I have no idea what you're getting at with the second half of your sentence. It seems completely off topic from what you were saying.
Atheism should be logically consistent, don't you think so?
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06-10-2014, 11:05 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 11:01 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Define "meaning" for us, then.
Ask atheists that say that death gives meaning to life
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06-10-2014, 11:05 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 10:57 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(06-10-2014 07:40 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Atheism is a single stance on a single subject: is there a god?
Then why do you instantly add a second stance?
Quote:the withholding of belief in those claims is not just logical but the intellectual responsibility of any rational and thinking adult .

The second stance is not contained in atheism it's an explanation as to why atheism is logical. Which was rather clear I thought.

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06-10-2014, 11:07 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 10:58 AM)Winterwolf00 Wrote:  Because non-belief in a deity is the consistent approach for anyone who calls themselves a skeptic.
So you are adding third stance that everyone should be skeptic?
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06-10-2014, 11:12 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 11:05 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(06-10-2014 11:01 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Define "meaning" for us, then.
Ask atheists that say that death gives meaning to life

They are not saying that through atheism though so you don't have a point. Single stance on a single issue. They could, as an atheist, also say that clowns are scary, kittens are made out of cuddles, and that the sun is actually a confused orange and it would have NOTHING to do with atheism. Like your current position.

Atheists say all kinds of stuff but that does not mean it's founded on Atheism it's self. You are venturing dangerously close to pedantic and disingenuous conversation.

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06-10-2014, 11:12 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(05-10-2014 02:56 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(05-10-2014 02:54 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  Because atheists argue that meaning of life exists and according to them atheism is logical

They do? From what I can tell, they generally don't. Atheism couldn't have meaning anyway, without an ultimite base for their beliefs.

What each individual finds meaningful is an individual experience. If you *need* to look to something external for that, it just says how little you know yourself.

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06-10-2014, 11:13 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(05-10-2014 02:49 PM)dimaniac Wrote:  LOGICALLY!

Nope. Wrong question.

The fact of biological reality is that there is no meaning to life. Evolution over the context of the age of the planet does not care which species survives and which one goes extinct. 99% of evolution's life are now extinct. What exists now simply adapted.

Now, why do humans care? Because our evolution has allowed us the ability to have a deeper awareness of our existence. If we did not evolve to care, we would walk across a busy street without looking. Adaptation and fight or flight are part of our evolution.

Context matters. Long term in the history of the universe, we are a very finite and very short blip and we too will go extinct, along with the planet eventually dying and our sun as well.

Short term however, we care because of brain's evolution.

No magic needed to explain reality.

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06-10-2014, 11:14 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 11:05 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(06-10-2014 11:01 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Define "meaning" for us, then.
Ask atheists that say that death gives meaning to life

That's highly disingenuous.
(I know, I know - I'm shocked)

What do you define as meaning? Is it exclusive? What is it based on?

Without answering those types of questions, how can you say that it does not, to them, give meaning?

After all, if you do not accept the claim by "atheists" (though it has been established that most atheists do not make such a claim, and you are completely unable to provide examples of some who do) that they find - for themselves - "meaning" in certain facts, you must have some grounds for doing so.

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06-10-2014, 11:17 AM
RE: Can you logically explain to me how death gives meaning to life?
(06-10-2014 10:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(06-10-2014 06:52 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  If you're asking what the argument is, it goes something like this:
* In a world with plentiful water, water is not valued.
* In a world with limits on the supply of water, people value what they get and take care not to waste what they have.
Wow, that is VERY strange logic. You are basically saying that a world with infinite air, water and food supplies is WORSE than a world with scarce resources. Are you sure you thought it through? It kinda makes atheists look like masochists.Undecided

No, he didn't say that. He said those things would not be valued as highly by people.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

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