Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
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01-09-2015, 05:04 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
What does it matter whether Muhammed invented stuff and claimed God talked to him, or whether he took stuff that was already written and claimed God said it to him, or whether a hundred years later Muslims collected oral histories or earlier written works and created the Qur'an from them?

In every case, some folks wrote down some stuff, and they or others claimed God said all that stuff to Muhammed. You're never going to convince Muslims that Mohammed was not the prophet. And you and I know that there is no God, so he didn't tell Mohammed that stuff.

FWIW, Mohammed was illiterate, so would not have read any of it, but he might have heard it read out in public. More likely, as with all religion, there were earlier traditions that got collected, revised to suit the folks doing the collecting, and attributed to some guy who had some fame in oral history for doing something notable.

To paraphrase Gag Halfrunt: Mohammed was just this guy, you know?

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01-09-2015, 05:14 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 02:27 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 09:26 AM)Free Wrote:  lol

Bucky strikes again!

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Listen to Spencer's video, and refute his history, fine sir, or the other video.
Islam grew directly from the moon-god cult (the god Sin) from Arabia. There are multiple borrowed elements in Islam from its precursor. The three celestial object-godesses that were named in the Satanic Verses, are Sin's 3 daughters, (which is why Islamists get so wacked out when they hear about them). Despite the claim, it has really nothing to do with the "Abrahamic" god. Why is the crescent moon so ubiquitous ? Because "Al-Illa" was the crescent phase of the moon-god, Sin.

I have already seen them all.

It's a very very weak argument. You see, Muhammad's grave site is in the exact same place it was when they buried him, and history can demonstrate a timeline of his wife burying him in that spot, then burying his companion next to him, and then creating an unused grave on the other side of Muhammad for when Jesus comes back, rules for 40 years, and then dies.

Wayyyy too much history to refute here. We have the Sunnah, and the a-Hadith in total agreement with each other on his life, death, and burial.

You can believe what you want, and say what you want, though. It doesn't matter to me.

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01-09-2015, 06:09 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 05:14 PM)Free Wrote:  You can believe what you want, and say what you want, though. It doesn't matter to me.

Even though your siggy is incorrect. Angel

I find it interesting that after one icon's historicity comes under scrutiny, so too the next. But as Scientology clearly demonstrates, truth mostly doesn't matter. Undecided

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01-09-2015, 06:32 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 06:09 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 05:14 PM)Free Wrote:  You can believe what you want, and say what you want, though. It doesn't matter to me.

Even though your siggy is incorrect.

Meh ... it doesn't work for everybody, but it works for me!

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Quote:I find it interesting that after one icon's historicity comes under scrutiny, so too the next. But as Scientology clearly demonstrates, truth mostly doesn't matter. Undecided

Hear hear!

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01-09-2015, 08:10 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 05:14 PM)Free Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 02:27 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Listen to Spencer's video, and refute his history, fine sir, or the other video.
Islam grew directly from the moon-god cult (the god Sin) from Arabia. There are multiple borrowed elements in Islam from its precursor. The three celestial object-godesses that were named in the Satanic Verses, are Sin's 3 daughters, (which is why Islamists get so wacked out when they hear about them). Despite the claim, it has really nothing to do with the "Abrahamic" god. Why is the crescent moon so ubiquitous ? Because "Al-Illa" was the crescent phase of the moon-god, Sin.

I have already seen them all.

It's a very very weak argument. You see, Muhammad's grave site is in the exact same place it was when they buried him, and history can demonstrate a timeline of his wife burying him in that spot, then burying his companion next to him, and then creating an unused grave on the other side of Muhammad for when Jesus comes back, rules for 40 years, and then dies.

Wayyyy too much history to refute here. We have the Sunnah, and the a-Hadith in total agreement with each other on his life, death, and burial.

You can believe what you want, and say what you want, though. It doesn't matter to me.

No references. How do you know anything about it ? Prove what you say or at least reference it. The a-Hadith supposedly has his life, day by day. They made that up. it's missing at least an entire month, as they forgot the calendar had been changed. It's all a fraud. You have nothing.

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01-09-2015, 08:17 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 08:10 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-09-2015 05:14 PM)Free Wrote:  I have already seen them all.

It's a very very weak argument. You see, Muhammad's grave site is in the exact same place it was when they buried him, and history can demonstrate a timeline of his wife burying him in that spot, then burying his companion next to him, and then creating an unused grave on the other side of Muhammad for when Jesus comes back, rules for 40 years, and then dies.

Wayyyy too much history to refute here. We have the Sunnah, and the a-Hadith in total agreement with each other on his life, death, and burial.

You can believe what you want, and say what you want, though. It doesn't matter to me.

No references. How do you know anything about it ? Prove what you say or at least reference it. The a-Hadith supposedly has his life, day by day. They made that up. it's missing at least an entire month, as they forgot the calendar had been changed. It's all a fraud. You have nothing.

lol

Okay, whatever you say.

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02-09-2015, 12:06 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
Mohammed was probably a real person. But it doesn't matter. The precepts expressed in the Qur'an are most certainly derivative of earlier precepts, altered in minor ways to suit the proponents. But it doesn't matter.

All that really matters is that all religion is bullshit. All religion exists to convince people to support a church or a priestly class or lamas or mullahs, or whatever they choose to call themselves. And along the way, nearly all religions demean their followers and teach people to hate the followers of other religions and justify rape and war.

It doesn't matter whether Mohammed was a real person (he probably was) or how much of the Qur'an really came from him (likely some of it did), because you're never going to convince the bat-shit crazy Muslims that he was not The Prophet, just as you're never going to convince the bat-shit crazy Christians that Jesus didn't rise from the dead on the third day.

Every church, temple, mosque, etc., should be required to post a big sign at the entrance proclaiming: "Everything you are going to be told inside this building is CRAP!"

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02-09-2015, 12:14 PM
RE: Carbon dating suggests ‘world’s oldest’ Koran is older than the Prophet Muhammad
(01-09-2015 05:04 PM)daniel1948 Wrote:  All religion is bullshit. Do we really need to say anything more than that?

Yes we do. Because religionists are totally deluded. If we can prove to them their fairy tales could not possibly be historically true, a few of them will start to doubt.

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