Catholic Apologists Blame Paedophilia Scandals on Gays?
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06-07-2015, 10:46 AM
RE: Catholic Apologists Blame Paedophilia Scandals on Gays?
(19-05-2015 09:01 PM)TarzanSmith Wrote:  In any case it's basis lies in the fact that the majority of cases in the US of child abuse occured in same sex situations. Also after Vatican II a fairly significant portion of the priestly population comprised of Homosexuals.

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06-07-2015, 10:57 AM (This post was last modified: 06-07-2015 11:00 AM by Chas.)
RE: Catholic Apologists Blame Paedophilia Scandals on Gays?
(06-07-2015 10:42 AM)simgiran Wrote:  First, what we are talking about are child and adolescent sexual abuse scandals. It's very comfortable for many to blame them on pedophiles, but a significant part of the offenders were not pedophiles. It's hard to estimate how big part, in general there are studies claiming 40-85% of child sexual abuse offenders aren't pedophiles. (The difference between studies is large, it may be due to different characteristics of offenders included to the sample and differences in pedophilia definition an diagnostic criteria.) However, this number is not the same for offenders with female victims as for offenders with male victims. Multiple sources agree that offenders with male victims are much more often pedophilic. However, I wasn't able to find concrete numbers. Furthermore, the Catholic Church environment is different in availability of males and females than typical environment. Situational factors have a great effect on sex offending.

The argument I've heard many times was that a large part of victims weren't prepubescent but late pubescents and adolescents. Based on the fact that pedophiles are attracted mainly towards prepubescent children it was argued the offenders weren't pedophiles but homosexuals. This argument shouldn't be just ignored. It has to be analyzed and properly addressed.

First we should find out whether the claim a large part of victims were of pubescent and adolescent age holds. If yes, than we should ask what was their sexual orientation. It can't be just assumed they were pedophiles. But it can't be assumed they were gay either. They might be homosexual hebephiles, but I doubt they all were. Some were likely pedophiles, some gay and some heterosexuals, but I don't want to guess the ratios.

Next we may try to look at the ratios of people by sexual orientation among Catholic priests. We can expect relatively more gays and pedophiles than in general (male) population. I think the social pressure and religious reason (not being called for marriage so being called for priesthood) are likely the key factor.

But anyways, even if gay Catholic priests were more likely to commit sexual abuse than general (male) population, it still doesn't say that gays are evil. Unless there are same numbers for general gay population, it may show the situational factors in Catholic Church are the key factor. Otherwise Catholic Church apologists would have to explain why they attract the bad gays specifically.

Also, regarding child sexual abuse scandals in Catholic Church, too much effort is spent on calling pedophiles and the specific factors are missed. First, one thing that totally deserve to be criticized is how Catholic Church tried to cover up the sexual abuse cases. How the good name of church was more important than well-being of children. Next, we shouldn't overlook the role of Catholic Church in making sexual issues a taboo. Lastly, Catholic Church leads people to unhealthy authority towards religious figures.

What part of "sexual abuse of a minor child" do you not understand? Whether they were technically pedophiles or what their sexual orientation was is particularly important.

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06-07-2015, 11:04 AM
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And it was the gay kat lickers that moved priests on to new parishes when complaints were made about their sexual conduct, was it?

And it was the gay kat lickers that protected priests from the law when complaints were made about their sexual conduct, was it?

And it was the gay kat lickers that ran the Magdalene Laundries in Ireland was it?

And it was the gay katlickers that ran the County Galway home for unmarried mothers where 800 babies were dumped in a septic tank, was it?

And it was the gay katlickers that allowed 2,051 children in Irish kat-licker run homes to take part in a suspected illegal trial of Diptheria vaccine supplied by Burroughs Welcome from 1930 - 1936, was it?

And it was the gay katlickers that .....

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06-07-2015, 11:16 AM
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Legally, 17 years old is a minor child at many countries.

Regarding sexual offenders against children: Pedophiles and (or) child molesters, Pedophilia.
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06-07-2015, 11:24 AM
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(06-07-2015 11:16 AM)simgiran Wrote:  Legally, 17 years old is a minor child at many countries.

Precisely.

Quote:Regarding sexual offenders against children: Pedophiles and (or) child molesters, Pedophilia.

It is not about pedophilia, per se. You are a pedophilia apologist and should fuck off.

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06-07-2015, 08:01 PM
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It can NEVER be in a child or adolescent's best long term interest to be involved with an adult in this way. It's a power inequality that the child cannot understand until it's too late. Any adult who REALLY "loved" a child would keep their fucking mits off them. There is NO way it can ever represent a really loving relationship. And furthermore, ANY discussion of this subject is off limits here.

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07-07-2015, 12:50 AM (This post was last modified: 07-07-2015 12:54 AM by Reltzik.)
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I just want to say what a stand-up job the Catholic Church is doing as a role model for its members. Who better to teach how to swallow one's pride, acknowledge errors and transgressions, apologize sincerely, seek forgiveness, take full responsibility, and diligently pursue the best means of ensuring it does not happen again.

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07-07-2015, 07:18 AM
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(19-05-2015 05:40 PM)Helen_Damnation Wrote:  Recently I've come across this Catholic talking point in which blame for their paedophile preist scandals is placed on homosexuality.

Why don't they blame it on
  • their relatively recent ruling that priests can't marry,
  • the lack of accountability placed on offending priests, and
  • their systemic cover-up of allegations
and then just stop doing those things? It'd seem like the problem would fix itself if priests were allowed to fuck consenting adults and they knew they'd be prosecuted if they raped any children. Jesus, it's not that difficult.

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07-07-2015, 08:50 AM
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(20-05-2015 07:57 PM)Dunkleweizen Wrote:  If the priests are having sexual encounters with boys, then yes, it can be described as homosexuality on the part of the priest. The real sin however still remains pedophilia.

It may be described as homosexuality, but that doesn't mean it was caused by homosexuality, which is the claim under discussion.
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07-07-2015, 10:32 AM
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Homosexuality (an attraction to an ADULT of the same sex) and pedophilia (attraction to children) are NOT the same thing. A person who does despicable things to kids is attracted to children--yes they may be male in some cases--but the main interest for them is that they are children.
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