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11-07-2012, 12:33 PM
Catholic sex abuse crisis, 10 years later
Question: Do you think that the priests who diddle with kids actually believe in God? I find it difficult to believe that they do. What do you think?

We have learned that more than 10,000 youth were victimized by perhaps
four percent of Catholic priests in America during the past half
century ...

read the whole article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gues..._blog.html
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11-07-2012, 12:38 PM
RE: Catholic sex abuse crisis, 10 years later
There is no better safe haven then the priestly garb of the RC church, no where else will you be protected, moved, kept on board after being accused or proved as being a pedophile.

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11-07-2012, 01:05 PM
RE: Catholic sex abuse crisis, 10 years later
I think some of them did believe in god. Some probably didn't and just used their position in the community to rape and torture kids.

" Generally speaking, the errors in religion are dangerous; those in philosophy only ridiculous."
David Hume
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11-07-2012, 01:27 PM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2012 01:55 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Catholic sex abuse crisis, 10 years later
Interesting question, but there is no doubt that many, if not most of the abusers would, when asked, answer in the affirmative, to the question about belief in god(s). In fact, buying into their particular system of beliefs, is one of the ways it was self-justified. There are many, many very serious flaws with the "Jay", but the John Jay College Report discusses this on about page 108. They told themselves that they were "forgiven", or their actions were a result of a "fallen/corrupted" nature.
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/c...0-2010.pdf .

The constant use of the term "pedophile", instead of the more accurate term for the majority of these cases,"ephebophile", is an attempt to mask the huge numbers of homosexual priests, in the Roman church. It's one of the real issues, which they have never really addressed. It also belies a simplistic, and completely uneducated view of human sexuality, instead of a recognition that human sexual behaviors are observed over a vast range, and complexities.

The Romans cannot, and have not to this very moment, come to grips with the fact that "alternate" sexual behaviors are "natural", because to do so would demand they leave behind Aquinas, (Natural Law). If they have to jettison Aquinas, their entire philosophical underpinnings fall.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...22106.html

The Roman position is consistent and rational. They understand full well, what is at stake. They know that "sin" and "redemption" are out the window, if this misinterpretation of the "fall" goes away... but thats a long story.

As far as I know, the Anglicans/Episcopalians are the only ones who have seriously addressed the issue, in a practical, absolute way. "No adult is ever allowed to be alone with a child". http://safechurch.anglicancommunion.org/...mphlet.pdf

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11-07-2012, 01:44 PM
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Personally, I'm curious how many of those that were abused remained religious after the fact or how many actually searched for answers and became atheists.
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11-07-2012, 02:14 PM
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(11-07-2012 01:44 PM)StatiK Wrote:  Personally, I'm curious how many of those that were abused remained religious after the fact or how many actually searched for answers and became atheists.
Another interesting question. I know of no study that actually looks at that question, and tries to separate it out from a more general trend, (ie attempts to compare specific causes). The field of Evolutionary Psychology may have looked at it. Not sure.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...-faith-god

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/26...27333.html

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11-07-2012, 02:25 PM
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Leaving God out of it. They are full of pedophiles and. Funny how Rome keeps hiding the facts. That Nazi Pope I would bet is one of the boys too. That so called church should be taken down and all the money given to the poor and rape victims. It will never happen but i can wish. I was one of them victims. I'm 54 years old and still have the scars from that rat bastard.

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a
free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their
political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their
own purpose. ~ Thomas Jefferson
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11-07-2012, 03:16 PM
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I grew up Catholic and looking back our priest was probably an atheist. He dropped hints all the time, like people who committed suicide didn't go to hell, didn't believe in mortal sin, told Nun jokes, asked me "guy questions" about my girlfriend (she was hot), etc. He drank like a fish and was obsessed with golf. He was like that crazy uncle who showed up for dinner twice a month and you always looked forward to the visit.
He didn't bother the kids though. This is a mental illness, not a godless thing.

That said the churh did/does harbor pedophiles. The best place to be if you are one.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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11-07-2012, 03:16 PM
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(11-07-2012 01:27 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  The constant use of the term "pedophile", instead of the more accurate term for the majority of these cases,"ephebophile", is an attempt to mask the huge numbers of homosexual priests, in the Roman church.
I think this is interesting and I have heard something about it before, but more along the lines that the issue was not just pedophilia but also homosexual behavior. I don't think I've heard of girls being molested in the context of the priest scandal but maybe it has and I haven't noticed. I guess things are pretty bad when your PR machine is aimed at making the public think priests are just pedophiles and not gay.

I wasn't familiar with the term "ephebophile" but wiki defines it as:

Ephebophilia refers to a primary or exclusive sexual interest of adults in mid-to-late adolescents, generally ages 15 to 19.[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia#cite_note-Krafft-Ebing-0][/url]

I think many of the molested boys have been younger than that.

But back to my original question, I just can't imagine being a priest and acting on a sexual urge if I really believed there was a god who could see me and would judge me upon my death. Just strengthens my general assumption that most believers don't really believe, they're just bet hedgers.

That raises another question for the believers - when god watches people having sex is it like watching porn? Does he enjoy it? Which porn category would god be into? I think maybe MILFs or BDSM. What do you think? If god watches people making porn, and watches people watching porn, that's A LOT of porn.
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11-07-2012, 03:21 PM
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(11-07-2012 02:25 PM)N.E.OhioAtheist Wrote:  I was one of them victims. I'm 54 years old and still have the scars from that rat bastard.


Wow, that's heavy. How long after the abuse did you question your faith? How did you feel when so many victims started coming forward?
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