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18-10-2013, 10:58 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
So you have a right to condemn peoples private acts because you identify yourself as a member of a group, that thinks an anthology of bronze age mythology is real, and base your moral code on it?

seems legit

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18-10-2013, 10:58 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
(18-10-2013 10:55 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 10:51 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  No, wasted seed does not refer to seed that does not fertilize an egg, but seed that is not able to at all conceive a child.

Again, that makes no sense to me. Because anytime an egg is not present, it is not able at all to conceive a child. So even if you are firing off in the right places inside your wife, if it is not during her fertile time, it is "seed that is not able at all [to] conceive a child."

I think we are talking past each other because I have done a bad job explaining myself.

As long as a couple wills to conceive a child (either actively or passively) and the man puts his seed in the right place then he has not wasted his seed. I ask your pardon, God can conceive a child in an old barren women as long as they are not frustrating God and natures ability delibrately there is no sin.
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18-10-2013, 10:59 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
(18-10-2013 10:51 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  No, wasted seed does not refer to seed that does not fertilize an egg, but seed that is not able to at all conceive a child.

You are asking questions that I cannot answer, I only know what God has decided to reveal through revelation. He does not need us, yet he created us and desires us to Love him because he loves us. He is perfectly happy by himself but because of his goodness he wants others to have it as well, it is a mystery that Catholics are suppose to meditate on.

And in all my examples, I listed seed that is not able to conceive a child. You do see that, yes? Sex during any other time cannot conceive a child. Orgasm during sleep cannot conceive a child (and is completely out of our control). Sex post-menopause cannot conceive a child.

If you cannot answer these questions, then you cannot claim to understand your god's will; you can only blindly obey it. You are subjecting yourself to tyranny and calling it "love." This type of "love" causes observable harm. Imagine being born gay and then being told by a group of people, who can't even answer basic questions like mine, that you're sinful and against god's purpose (even though he created you). That's unacceptable and a great example of how religion makes good people do bad things.

When something doesn't make sense, the red flag should go up. If god can't withstand even basic scrutiny, why call him god?

You still haven't addressed how an all-powerful being has 'needs' and 'wants.'

If Jesus died for our sins, why is there still sin? If man was created from dust, why is there still dust? If Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?
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18-10-2013, 10:59 AM
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(18-10-2013 10:58 AM)nach_in Wrote:  So you have a right to condemn peoples private acts because you identify yourself as a member of a group, that thinks an anthology of bronze age mythology is real, and base your moral code on it?

seems legit

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18-10-2013, 10:59 AM
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(18-10-2013 10:48 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 10:39 AM)Vera Wrote:  Does he cry when people shave, then? How about haircuts? Tweezing? Are some hairs more precious to him than others? How about nails, he love them, too? Is nail polish a sin, too, since the intended purpose of nails isn't to look pretty?


And what was that about adulterous sex being wrong? First time I'm hearing you can't pregnant when you're committing adultery. Stop the presses, guys, I think we just found the perfect contraceptive! Unless that sex is wrong for a different reason... frankly, there is only so much blind delusion (and I'm being nice here Dodgy ) I can take, so I admit I didn't study the above masterpieces in detail...

No, it means that he knows and cares about us in everyway.

Adulterous sex is wrong, because of the revelation of the 10 commandments.

There were 628 commandments all tolled, and none of them were "revealed".
They were "imported", largely, from the Egyptian Book of the Dead.
There is nothing unique about them from any other ancient Near Eastern culture.
I thought your St. Paul said you were freed from the old law ?
A bit capricious, wouldn't you say ?
One of them says to make NO graven images. Your cult has countless graven images.
You get to cherry-pick your commandments, I guess. Weeping

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18-10-2013, 11:00 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
Now if you said that any sex where the penis did not ejaculate into the vagina, that would at least make sense. But as far as I know, the Bible never specifically addresses this
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18-10-2013, 11:01 AM
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(18-10-2013 10:56 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 10:43 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Catholic doctrines are not eternal either.

For years the Catholic church told poor grieving parents that their child was in Limbo. Then, with a flick of the pen, it was no more.

There are countless other examples (slavery, etc.).

I believe in limbo, others do not, it is not a defined dogma.

Homosexuality is part of public revelation, the Church will never change on it.

Bet they do. The church always changes in the face of overwhelming oppose. Like how they oppose slavery (now) and do not oppose mixed race marriages oh and let us not forget Heliocentrism. Yes the church has always found it prudent to alter their "eternal" beliefs when they become too unpopular.

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18-10-2013, 11:02 AM
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(18-10-2013 11:00 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Now if you said that any sex where the penis did not ejaculate into the vagina, that would at least make sense. But as far as I know, the Bible never specifically addresses this

Genesis 38 please read.
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18-10-2013, 11:04 AM
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(18-10-2013 10:58 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 10:55 AM)Cathym112 Wrote:  Again, that makes no sense to me. Because anytime an egg is not present, it is not able at all to conceive a child. So even if you are firing off in the right places inside your wife, if it is not during her fertile time, it is "seed that is not able at all [to] conceive a child."

I think we are talking past each other because I have done a bad job explaining myself.

As long as a couple wills to conceive a child (either actively or passively) and the man puts his seed in the right place then he has not wasted his seed. I ask your pardon, God can conceive a child in an old barren women as long as they are not frustrating God and natures ability delibrately there is no sin.

Clearly you have no science background.
A couple who PURPOSELY practices NFP, is ACTIVELY, intentionally having sex ONLY when they think it is NOT possible.

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18-10-2013, 11:04 AM
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(18-10-2013 11:01 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 10:56 AM)nmoerbeek Wrote:  I believe in limbo, others do not, it is not a defined dogma.

Homosexuality is part of public revelation, the Church will never change on it.

Bet they do. The church always changes in the face of overwhelming oppose. Like how they oppose slavery (now) and do not oppose mixed race marriages oh and let us not forget Heliocentrism. Yes the church has always found it prudent to alter their "eternal" beliefs when they become too unpopular.

The Church regulates marriage but considering that I know of mixed race marriages in the history of the Church, such a ban was not practiced at all times and all places.

Same thing with heliocentrism and slavery.
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