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18-10-2013, 03:32 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
(18-10-2013 03:20 AM)Colourcraze Wrote:  But can it be resolved independently of the Bible?

Catholics claim that it can but I'm not going to present the natural law case because I am rusty on it, I can't be assed and I shouldn't have to play devil's advocate because you all act like a bunch of dickheads and repel those that would be able present that case.
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18-10-2013, 03:47 AM
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(18-10-2013 02:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Homosexuality is NOT immoral because a) it occurs naturally

That's a start but appeal to nature is considered to be an informal logical fallacy. Psychopathy also occurs naturally that doesn't mean that psychopathic acts are morally good.

Quote:b) it's not a choice

Neither is psychopathy and anti-social personality disorder.

Quote: c) it doesn't harm anyone

Catholics claim otherwise.

Quote:d) the bible is a load of shit

IIRC the natural law argument doesn't rely on scriptural prohibition of homosexuality.

Quote:e) is being black considered immoral? answer that and you got your answer if you replace the word black with gay. The why's are exactly the same.

That's a false analogy.

Quote:You can't have a respectful discussion with Catholics because they're fucking moronic and couldn't see stupid if it was butt naked checks spread apart 5inches from their face.

That's an idiotic and unedcated generalisation. Look here.
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18-10-2013, 03:59 AM
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(18-10-2013 03:47 AM)Chippy Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 02:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Homosexuality is NOT immoral because a) it occurs naturally

That's a start but appeal to nature is considered to be an informal logical fallacy. Psychopathy also occurs naturally that doesn't mean that psychopathic acts are morally good.
In this instance it is a refutation to the claim that Homosexuality is unnatural so fail.

Quote:Neither is psychopathy and anti-social personality disorder.

Irrelevant

Quote:Catholics claim otherwise.

Then let them make that claim. Since it is a positive claim burden of proof is on them.

Quote:IIRC the natural law argument doesn't rely on scriptural prohibition of homosexuality.
The "Natural law" argument was dealt with earlier. so irrelevant again.
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That's a false analogy.[/quote[
How so? Both are the result of genetics and uncontrollable by the person in question. Seems very relevant.

In summary your post (much like all your posts) was just you liking to hear yourself talk and demanding other think exactly like you. You have contributed nothing to this thread except contention. If you have any actual points to make then make them and leave the defense of the catholics side to them.

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18-10-2013, 04:00 AM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
(18-10-2013 03:47 AM)Chippy Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 02:55 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Homosexuality is NOT immoral because a) it occurs naturally
That's a start but appeal to nature is considered to be an informal logical fallacy. Psychopathy also occurs naturally that doesn't mean that psychopathic acts are morally good.

What does natural mean? Priest molesting children is natural because it occurs in nature. So is he claiming that just because something occurs in nature that makes it natural and thus moral? I don't think so.

When an opponent of homosexuality says it is "unnatural", that person usually means it is against the usual and ordinary course of nature. Is earmuffs using natural in that way? Is he claiming the homosexuality is the usual and ordinary course of nature? That claim would be obviously silly. Heterosexuality is the usual and ordinary course of nature, while homosexuality is a deviation.

The whole claiming homosexuality is natural and therefore moral is a silly argument...no matter how you define natural.
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18-10-2013, 04:01 AM
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(18-10-2013 03:30 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The thought experiment shows that homosexuality doesn't have the same worth to society as heterosexuality. If it doesn't have the same worth, there is no obligation for society to treat it as an equal to heterosexuality.

Apply the same argument to science vs. religion, to technology vs. faith, medicine vs. doctrine.

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18-10-2013, 04:04 AM
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(18-10-2013 04:01 AM)Anudist Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 03:30 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The thought experiment shows that homosexuality doesn't have the same worth to society as heterosexuality. If it doesn't have the same worth, there is no obligation for society to treat it as an equal to heterosexuality.

Apply the same argument to science vs. religion, to technology vs. faith, medicine vs. doctrine.

We are not arguing those things so what is the point?
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18-10-2013, 04:09 AM
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(18-10-2013 04:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  We are not arguing those things so what is the point?

Would that argument still stand, or not? Should we remove all of religion and faith in general because it doesn't have the same worth as science, technology, and medicine do to our modern society?

No? Then why should we be so opposed to homosexuality? Because it isn't a majority of people who are homosexuals?

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18-10-2013, 04:13 AM
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(18-10-2013 03:59 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  In this instance it is a refutation to the claim that Homosexuality is unnatural so fail.

The claim that homosexuality is unnatural is yet to be made.

Quote:How so? Both are the result of genetics and uncontrollable by the person in question. Seems very relevant.

Psychopathy has a a demonstrable genetic component and is associated with specific organic lesion[1][2] and it too is "uncontrollable by the person in question".

Quote:If you have any actual points to make then make them and leave the defense of the catholics side to them.

I'll continue posting as I choose.
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18-10-2013, 04:16 AM
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(18-10-2013 04:09 AM)Anudist Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 04:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  We are not arguing those things so what is the point?

Would that argument still stand, or not? Should we remove all of religion and faith in general because it doesn't have the same worth as science, technology, and medicine do to our modern society?

That argument can be used to advocate favoring teaching children math and science versus religion. Are you suggesting that religion should be put on the same level as math and science? No? If you accept the argument why do you continue to insist on putting homosexuality on the same level as heterosexuality?
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18-10-2013, 04:18 AM
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(18-10-2013 04:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(18-10-2013 04:01 AM)Anudist Wrote:  Apply the same argument to science vs. religion, to technology vs. faith, medicine vs. doctrine.

We are not arguing those things so what is the point?

If all women became men the results would be catastrophic therefore Women have more value to society. No, still a stupid argument. Your premiss is flawed most things in society are only good if they are not the only thing.

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