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07-03-2015, 08:35 PM
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
Ol' Petrov showing his repressed side eh?

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07-03-2015, 08:54 PM
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(07-03-2015 06:54 PM)PetrovPolak Wrote:  
Quote:PP, be careful what you say, don't forget you have almost been banned.

And? All that would mean is that I get to whine about being banned from here like you guys have whined about getting banned from Suscipe Domine for literal pages.

Quote:This place is not the Vatican.... you can't threaten violence here.

Violence, death, fire, death, fire-death, and death-fire. That enough for ya bro?Smile

Quote:"...if you are referring to pedophilia amongst Catholic priests, the figure is more like 80%, as 80% of the victims are boys, only 20% girls. That is not the case with secular pedophilia, where the victim, statistically speaking, is more likely to be a girl than a boy."

Oh, I'm well aware of that. The pedophelia problem in the Church in the U.S. is less pre-pubescent pedophelia, and more of a post-pubescent homosexual problem. Not that that's our fault either, you can thank your precious Sexual Revolution for all the faggots that just 'coincidentally' happen to also be pedos infiltrating the Church's ranks in the U.S.

Petrov is blaming the paedphile behaviour of Catholic priests on the secular world! He is not the only Catholic to use this tactic....

Various Catholic officials are still arrogant enough to try to pass the blame for the sexual abuse perpetrated by their own priests on to others!

- They’ve claimed that psychiatrists and psychologists knew little of pedophilia and therefore they weren’t able to predict future behavior. This isn’t true, and is feeble. When has the Vatican seriously ever listened to health professionals, and particularly psychiatrists?

- The Reverend Raniero Cantalamessa, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raniero_Cantalamessa) speaking at Good Friday prayers 2010 in St Peter’s Basilica, attended by the Pope, likened criticism of his church to the
“most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism,” (http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5364–...-semitism) as if to say he now knew how the Jews have felt. He was treading on very shaky ground, as his church has treated Jews abysmally over the centuries.

- Papal spokesman have claimed they’re being picked on, for example that news coverage was motivated by sensationalism. They defend their church from outside “enemies” who “assault” it and subject it to “a smear campaign.” They have the church itself as the victim! What’s more, they don’t realize or care that the publicity helps protect future victims from abuse.

- They’ve been quoted as blaming the “secular world,” “gay culture,” child pornography, or people hoping for a payout. Giovanni Maria Vian, editor of L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, said the criticism of Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican in handling the clerical sex abuse crisis was part of a media campaign to sell newspapers (Catholic Spirit. April 12, 2010.)

- They’ve stated that the church is being unfairly picked out because pedophiles are at least as common in other walks of life, which is a dubious assertion. What about their claim to be society’s shining example of morality? What then, is their excuse for protecting offenders?

- As recently as April 2010, at Easter Mass in St. Peter’s Square, Angelo Sodano, dean of the College of Cardinals, publically assured Benedict that the faithful were
“…unimpressed by the gossip of the moment.”

If he really needed to tell the pope this, he should have done it privately. He was trying to create public opinion, not report on it.

- Ratzinger himself claimed
“…in the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children” (http://www.examiner.com/creationism-in-d...on-society - ixzz1FXDtPn3n).
I don’t know anyone who would agree with him.

Ratzinger also tried to twist the focus onto others by stating how child sexual tourism in the third world was
“…threatening an entire generation.”

If he had really cared about that, he should have done his bit by removing all child-abusing priests from their jobs and handed their records over to the police. (http://www.sott.net/article/220257-Vatic...-his-day).

These excuses and this blame shifting amount to pathetic arguments. Vatican officials try to talk about a broader context that the church isn’t responsible for and can’t or couldn’t have done anything about, and thereby deliberately avoid addressing the contexts that matter: admitting the church’s guilt, how they’re going to deal with past and future offenders, and how they propose to recompense the victims.
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07-03-2015, 09:02 PM
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(07-03-2015 08:54 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 06:54 PM)PetrovPolak Wrote:  And? All that would mean is that I get to whine about being banned from here like you guys have whined about getting banned from Suscipe Domine for literal pages.


Violence, death, fire, death, fire-death, and death-fire. That enough for ya bro?Smile


Oh, I'm well aware of that. The pedophelia problem in the Church in the U.S. is less pre-pubescent pedophelia, and more of a post-pubescent homosexual problem. Not that that's our fault either, you can thank your precious Sexual Revolution for all the faggots that just 'coincidentally' happen to also be pedos infiltrating the Church's ranks in the U.S.

Petrov is blaming the paedphile behaviour of Catholic priests on the secular world! He is not the only Catholic to use this tactic....

Various Catholic officials are still arrogant enough to try to pass the blame for the sexual abuse perpetrated by their own priests on to others!

- They’ve claimed that psychiatrists and psychologists knew little of pedophilia and therefore they weren’t able to predict future behavior. This isn’t true, and is feeble. When has the Vatican seriously ever listened to health professionals, and particularly psychiatrists?

- The Reverend Raniero Cantalamessa, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raniero_Cantalamessa) speaking at Good Friday prayers 2010 in St Peter’s Basilica, attended by the Pope, likened criticism of his church to the
“most shameful aspects of anti-Semitism,” (http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5364–...-semitism) as if to say he now knew how the Jews have felt. He was treading on very shaky ground, as his church has treated Jews abysmally over the centuries.

- Papal spokesman have claimed they’re being picked on, for example that news coverage was motivated by sensationalism. They defend their church from outside “enemies” who “assault” it and subject it to “a smear campaign.” They have the church itself as the victim! What’s more, they don’t realize or care that the publicity helps protect future victims from abuse.

- They’ve been quoted as blaming the “secular world,” “gay culture,” child pornography, or people hoping for a payout. Giovanni Maria Vian, editor of L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, said the criticism of Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican in handling the clerical sex abuse crisis was part of a media campaign to sell newspapers (Catholic Spirit. April 12, 2010.)

- They’ve stated that the church is being unfairly picked out because pedophiles are at least as common in other walks of life, which is a dubious assertion. What about their claim to be society’s shining example of morality? What then, is their excuse for protecting offenders?

- As recently as April 2010, at Easter Mass in St. Peter’s Square, Angelo Sodano, dean of the College of Cardinals, publically assured Benedict that the faithful were
“…unimpressed by the gossip of the moment.”

If he really needed to tell the pope this, he should have done it privately. He was trying to create public opinion, not report on it.

- Ratzinger himself claimed
“…in the 1970s, pedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children” (http://www.examiner.com/creationism-in-d...on-society - ixzz1FXDtPn3n).
I don’t know anyone who would agree with him.

Ratzinger also tried to twist the focus onto others by stating how child sexual tourism in the third world was
“…threatening an entire generation.”

If he had really cared about that, he should have done his bit by removing all child-abusing priests from their jobs and handed their records over to the police. (http://www.sott.net/article/220257-Vatic...-his-day).

These excuses and this blame shifting amount to pathetic arguments. Vatican officials try to talk about a broader context that the church isn’t responsible for and can’t or couldn’t have done anything about, and thereby deliberately avoid addressing the contexts that matter: admitting the church’s guilt, how they’re going to deal with past and future offenders, and how they propose to recompense the victims.

These guys put the best political spin-meisters to shame.

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08-03-2015, 07:25 AM
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(07-03-2015 09:02 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  These guys put the best political spin-meisters to shame.

This asshole still takes the cake. He moved priests around to cover up abuse and then prayed for forgiveness for the people who expressed outrage at his actions. How fucking arrogant can anyone be?

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08-03-2015, 07:49 AM
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(08-03-2015 07:25 AM)unfogged Wrote:  This asshole still takes the cake. He moved priests around to cover up abuse and then prayed for forgiveness for the people who expressed outrage at his actions. How fucking arrogant can anyone be?

Oh, I don't know. This guy is still a strong contender I think.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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08-03-2015, 09:38 AM
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(08-03-2015 07:49 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(08-03-2015 07:25 AM)unfogged Wrote:  This asshole still takes the cake. He moved priests around to cover up abuse and then prayed for forgiveness for the people who expressed outrage at his actions. How fucking arrogant can anyone be?

Oh, I don't know. This guy is still a strong contender I think.

Laugh out load
Something tells me that if we start playing the "find the biggest asshole in the Catholic hierarchy" we'd never reach the end of the list! They seem to vie with each other as to who can be the biggest hypocrite and who can justify the vilest actions.

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08-03-2015, 09:57 AM
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(08-03-2015 07:25 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(07-03-2015 09:02 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  These guys put the best political spin-meisters to shame.

This asshole still takes the cake. He moved priests around to cover up abuse and then prayed for forgiveness for the people who expressed outrage at his actions. How fucking arrogant can anyone be?

That is just fucking unbelievable! I'm surprised he doesn't ask God to also forgive the children who were victimized for being angry. Why isn't this fuckhead in jail?

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08-03-2015, 10:07 AM
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(07-03-2015 06:54 PM)PetrovPolak Wrote:  
Quote:PP, be careful what you say, don't forget you have almost been banned.

And? All that would mean is that I get to whine about being banned from here like you guys have whined about getting banned from Suscipe Domine for literal pages.

Could you whine about it at Suscipe Domini so we could watch. That'd be great.

(07-03-2015 04:36 PM)PetrovPolak Wrote:  The video I gave actually had valid argumentation in it, unlike anything from your posts, cocksucker.




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08-03-2015, 03:03 PM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2015 03:24 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Catholics vs. TTA......Respectfully.....
(08-03-2015 07:49 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(08-03-2015 07:25 AM)unfogged Wrote:  This asshole still takes the cake. He moved priests around to cover up abuse and then prayed for forgiveness for the people who expressed outrage at his actions. How fucking arrogant can anyone be?

Oh, I don't know. This guy is still a strong contender I think.

Here is more on Ratzinger...

In what appears to be a public relations exercise, Pope Benedict has held brief meetings with survivor groups and issued seemingly sympathetic, but qualified, statements about their plight. In his letter to the Catholics of Ireland (March 2010) (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedi...d_en.html) he did acknowledge the harm done to the people of Ireland, but then told them to get right with Jesus by going back to church! He wrote:

“But it is in the Church that you will find Jesus Christ, who is the same yesterday, today and for ever (cf. Heb 13:8). He loves you and he has offered himself on the cross for you. Seek a personal relationship with him within the communion of his Church…”

Pope Benedict went on

“Perseverance and prayer are needed, with great trust in the healing power of God’s grace.”

Bollocks! Pushing perseverance and prayer is deliberately ignoring real solutions to the problems.

Amazingly, Pope Benedict had the gall to write about

“…the firm faith, strong leadership and upright morals of the Church in their native land”

when referring to his church that had sexually ravaged three (and no doubt more) generations of Irish children!

Pope Benedict went on,

“In recent decades, however, the Church in your country has had to confront new and serious challenges to the faith arising from the rapid transformation and secularization of Irish society. Fast-paced social change has occurred, often adversely affecting people’s traditional adherence to Catholic teaching and values. All too often, the sacramental and devotional practices that sustain faith and enable it to grow, such as frequent confession, daily prayer and annual retreats, were neglected. Significant too was the tendency during this period, also on the part of priests and religious, to adopt ways of thinking and assessing secular realities without sufficient reference to the Gospel. The program of renewal proposed by the Second Vatican Council was sometimes misinterpreted and indeed, in the light of the profound social changes that were taking place, it was far from easy to know how best to implement it. In particular, there was a well-intentioned but misguided tendency to avoid penal approaches to canonically irregular situations. It is in this overall context that we must try to understand the disturbing problem of child sexual abuse, which has contributed in no small measure to the weakening of faith and the loss of respect for the Church and her teachings.”

A “misguided tendency to avoid penal approaches,” in other words the protection of offenders, can never be “well-intentioned” unless viewed from the Vatican’s jaundiced, immoral perspective. What’s more, he was trying to imply that sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergy was somehow a consequence of modern secularization, Vatican 2 and people losing their faith! These assertions are misleading, patronizing and unforgivably arrogant. There must be millions of ordinary Catholics who cringe in disgust on hearing such spiel.

Pope Benedict’s qualified half-apologies have been too weak, too late, and weren’t genuine overtures acknowledging Vatican culpability or a bona fide change in attitude. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP5vtPwqiSU, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...eal.html).
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08-03-2015, 08:04 PM
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(08-03-2015 09:38 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(08-03-2015 07:49 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Oh, I don't know. This guy is still a strong contender I think.

Laugh out load
Something tells me that if we start playing the "find the biggest asshole in the Catholic hierarchy" we'd never reach the end of the list! They seem to vie with each other as to who can be the biggest hypocrite and who can justify the vilest actions.

The biggest current living asshole? Consider

Because the sine qua non of Catholic assholes has to be the Papal legate Arnaud Amalric of "Kill them all, God will know His own" fame at the massacre at Béziers.

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