Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
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03-08-2015, 10:46 PM
Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?

http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/...cture#3798

According to this website : The Interdependency of Lipid Membranes and Membrane Proteins
The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer. The interdependency of lipid membranes and membrane proteins suggests that lipid bilayers and membrane proteins co-evolved together with membrane bioenergetics.

The nonsense of this assertion is evident. How could the membrane proteins co-evolve, if they had to be manufactured in the machinery , protected by the cell membrane ?

The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer.

The ER and Golgi apparatus together constitute the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells. The endomembrane compartment is a major site of lipid synthesis, and the ER is where not only lipids are synthesized, but membrane-bound proteins and secretory proteins are also made.

So in order to make cell membranes, the Endoplasmic Recticulum is required. But also the Golgi Apparatus, the peroxysome, and the mitochondria. But these only function, if protected and encapsulated in the cell membrane. What came first, the cell membrane, or the endoplasmic recticulum ? This is one of many other catch22 situations in the cell, which indicate that the cell could not emerge in a stepwise gradual manner, as proponents of natural mechanisms want to make us believe.

Not only is the cell membrane intricate and complex (and certainly not random), but it has tuning parameters such as the degree to which the phospholipid tails are saturated. It is another example of a sophisticated biological design about which evolutionists can only speculate. Random mutations must have luckily assembled molecular mechanisms which sense environmental challenges and respond to them by altering the phospholipid population in the membrane in just the right way. Such designs are tremendously helpful so of course they would have been preserved by natural selection. It is yet another example of how silly evolutionary theory is in light of scientific facts.
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03-08-2015, 10:48 PM (This post was last modified: 03-08-2015 11:01 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
Not this shit again. Weeping
Natural mechanism.
You are so uneducated, you can't refute even one step Dr. S (Nobel winner) proposes in his video.
The gods are not needed. In fact your stupid god didn't even know how to make an efficient ribosome,
much less make DNA replication work effective enough to prevent the mutations that cause cancer in innocent children. Go away troll. Stop spamming TTA with your stupid sites.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/412...m-scratch/



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03-08-2015, 10:59 PM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
Are you high?

Of the many areas in abiogenesis chemistry where we have a lot left to figure out, that's not really one of them. And even if it was, why would it make evolutionary theory "silly", as you phrased it? They aren't even the same question! The fact that you think of it as a "gotcha" point just makes you look ridiculous.

I know you're not going to bother, since you don't really care about facts except to lie about what the facts really are, in the name of your Bronze Age Blood-God, which you think justifies lying and plugging your ears at the same time, a tactic we've seen from you time and time again.

Your latest burst of inane questions from the Creationist MachineGun Tactic merit no response, and I hope no one does respond to your bullshit, nor to the slanderous innuendo you will spout next about the "real" reasons we refuse to deal with your dishonesty.

If anyone is curious about cell wall formation, go look at the NASA Jet Propulsion Lab's website and read their dozens of articles on the subject. Unless you feel the Creationist web designers know more than NASA, of course.

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03-08-2015, 11:46 PM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(23-07-1974 08:53 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Your latest burst of inane questions from the Creationist MachineGun Tactic merit no response,

nice tactic to evade the issue in question Rolleyes
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03-08-2015, 11:48 PM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(03-08-2015 10:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Not this shit again. Weeping
Natural mechanism.
You are so uneducated, you can't refute even one step Dr. S (Nobel winner) proposes in his video.
The gods are not needed. In fact your stupid god didn't even know how to make an efficient ribosome,
much less make DNA replication work effective enough to prevent the mutations that cause cancer in innocent children. Go away troll. Stop spamming TTA with your stupid sites.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/412...m-scratch/



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04-08-2015, 02:04 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(03-08-2015 11:48 PM)Godexists Wrote:  
(03-08-2015 10:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Not this shit again. Weeping
Natural mechanism.
You are so uneducated, you can't refute even one step Dr. S (Nobel winner) proposes in his video.
The gods are not needed. In fact your stupid god didn't even know how to make an efficient ribosome,
much less make DNA replication work effective enough to prevent the mutations that cause cancer in innocent children. Go away troll. Stop spamming TTA with your stupid sites.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/412...m-scratch/



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And are you the admin creator of said post and sites? Because you use words in various manners which don't curtail a meaning that is used sensible. Like saying certainly "not random" and other various phrases throughout the website posts.

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04-08-2015, 02:17 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(03-08-2015 10:46 PM)Godexists Wrote:  Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?

http://reasonandscience.heavenforum.org/...cture#3798

According to this website : The Interdependency of Lipid Membranes and Membrane Proteins
The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer. The interdependency of lipid membranes and membrane proteins suggests that lipid bilayers and membrane proteins co-evolved together with membrane bioenergetics.

The nonsense of this assertion is evident. How could the membrane proteins co-evolve, if they had to be manufactured in the machinery , protected by the cell membrane ?

The cell membrane contains various types of proteins, including ion channel proteins, proton pumps, G proteins, and enzymes. These membrane proteins function cooperatively to allow ions to penetrate the lipid bilayer.

The ER and Golgi apparatus together constitute the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells. The endomembrane compartment is a major site of lipid synthesis, and the ER is where not only lipids are synthesized, but membrane-bound proteins and secretory proteins are also made.

So in order to make cell membranes, the Endoplasmic Recticulum is required. But also the Golgi Apparatus, the peroxysome, and the mitochondria. But these only function, if protected and encapsulated in the cell membrane. What came first, the cell membrane, or the endoplasmic recticulum ? This is one of many other catch22 situations in the cell, which indicate that the cell could not emerge in a stepwise gradual manner, as proponents of natural mechanisms want to make us believe.

Not only is the cell membrane intricate and complex (and certainly not random), but it has tuning parameters such as the degree to which the phospholipid tails are saturated. It is another example of a sophisticated biological design about which evolutionists can only speculate. Random mutations must have luckily assembled molecular mechanisms which sense environmental challenges and respond to them by altering the phospholipid population in the membrane in just the right way. Such designs are tremendously helpful so of course they would have been preserved by natural selection. It is yet another example of how silly evolutionary theory is in light of scientific facts.


Heaven forum???

For science you should go to a science forum.

I have a separate question: Why would you consider a website entitled Evidence of God, being used as supposed science, would influence a group atheists interested in actual science?

Doesn't that seem a bit redundant, a bit of a waste of time? I mean everyone here knows this is not real science. It is pseudo science attempting to push a religious agenda?

That is after all exactly what it is. You are like a crazed footballer constantly kicking own goals.

What on earth is going on here?

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I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
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04-08-2015, 03:05 AM (This post was last modified: 04-08-2015 03:13 AM by Heywood Jahblome.)
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(03-08-2015 10:46 PM)Godexists Wrote:  The ER and Golgi apparatus together constitute the endomembrane compartment in the cytoplasm of eukaryotic cells. The endomembrane compartment is a major site of lipid synthesis, and the ER is where not only lipids are synthesized, but membrane-bound proteins and secretory proteins are also made.

The first forms of life were very likely prokaryote cells and not eukaryotic cells.
You need to show that prokayrotic cells are impossible to form and then evolve to actually make your point.

That being said, The rise of eukaryotic cells is indeed a special event, and I would not be surprised it indeed required divine intervention. I wouldn't be surprised if a thousand years from now we are exploring the galaxy and only finding prokaryotic life.
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04-08-2015, 03:07 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(03-08-2015 10:48 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Not this shit again. Weeping
Natural mechanism.
You are so uneducated, you can't refute even one step Dr. S (Nobel winner) proposes in his video.
The gods are not needed. In fact your stupid god didn't even know how to make an efficient ribosome,
much less make DNA replication work effective enough to prevent the mutations that cause cancer in innocent children. Go away troll. Stop spamming TTA with your stupid sites.
http://www.technologyreview.com/news/412...m-scratch/



half this shit is made up. But it supports your world veiw so you believe it as fact.
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04-08-2015, 03:27 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
Yup. Design.

No doubt about it.

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