Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
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06-08-2015, 11:25 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
That's called "artificial selection", and while it is similar to how natural selection works (indeed, there are some forms of artificial selection, such as "mate selection", which appear to function in nature), it's not quite the same thing.

Anything that compares the use of human shaping of gene pools artificially to some alleged need for this to occur in order for nature to function on its own is pseudo-scientific claptrap, and will be called out.

If you're proposing that the "need" for wrists existed before wrists existed, simply because you're back-projecting the existence of wrists onto a time when they were not yet wrists, but other systems that were later co-opted into wrists as we know them today, and using that to assert some kind of guiding plan, then yes that is pseudo-scientific claptrap, and I will continue to call it out as such, as he did.

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06-08-2015, 11:33 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(06-08-2015 11:25 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  That's called "artificial selection", and while it is similar to how natural selection works (indeed, there are some forms of artificial selection, such as "mate selection", which appear to function in nature), it's not quite the same thing.

Anything that compares the use of human shaping of gene pools artificially to some alleged need for this to occur in order for nature to function on its own is pseudo-scientific claptrap, and will be called out.

If you're proposing that the "need" for wrists existed before wrists existed, simply because you're back-projecting the existence of wrists onto a time when they were not yet wrists, but other systems that were later co-opted into wrists as we know them today, and using that to assert some kind of guiding plan, then yes that is pseudo-scientific claptrap, and I will continue to call it out as such, as he did.

You are conflating "evolution" with "natural selection". The are not the same thing. Further, biological evolution doesn't cease to happen just because the selection mechanism changes.

Last, I did not propose that the "need" for wrist existed before wrist existed. I wondered why that fish, tiktaalik, had a wrist. I've heard it claimed that it was providential. I looked at a picture of a mudskipper and rejected that notion.
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06-08-2015, 11:56 AM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
Yes. Please tell me more about how evolution works.

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06-08-2015, 12:00 PM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(06-08-2015 11:56 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Yes. Please tell me more about how evolution works.

I could tell you how evolutionary systems work. I don't limit my thinking to just biological evolution. Is there anything specific you want to know?
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06-08-2015, 10:44 PM
RE: Cell Membranes, origins through natural mechanisms, or design ?
(06-08-2015 12:00 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(06-08-2015 11:56 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Yes. Please tell me more about how evolution works.

I could tell you how evolutionary systems work. I don't limit my thinking to just biological evolution. Is there anything specific you want to know?

The journals you publish in.

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