05-08-2012, 02:26 PM
RE: Chatlog thread
(05-08-2012 01:01 PM)Vosur Wrote: You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
I like his honesty.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.
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06-08-2012, 11:31 AM
RE: Chatlog thread
so this is a small section of a chat the rest was about the olympics oddly enough
You: i dont have everything
You: i sure dont own a house
You: or a car
You: or have a phone
You: so thats something
You: i dont have
Stranger: O o
Stranger: Not material possessions
You: oh u believe in a deity dont u
Stranger: Tell me wat u have
You: depends on what u want to know
Stranger: Everyone does
You: i'm an atheist
Stranger: Actually depends on what u have and among them wat u can give...
You: no deity
Stranger: Its like this--- sth u cant explain or u donno -- we call it got
Stranger: God is not some person or faith
Stranger: Fate is god
You: so when you children die its god
You: when your
You: wife leaves u
You: its god
You: when war breaks out
You: its god
Stranger: O o
Stranger: I think we better change topic.. What say
Stranger: I don believe in idol worship
You: neither do i
You: being atheist
You: no belief in anything
You: thought that would be obvious
Stranger: Wat i feel is there is some power > mankind sth preter natural and thats is god
You: anecdotal fallacy
Stranger: Y do u think so
You: what u feel does not make something true
You: very simple
You: i feel the sky
You: is purple
You: its not
Stranger: But wat if u feel sky is blue
Stranger: As simple as that
You: is there something to prove it
You: look up
You: its blue
You: but thats an illusion
You: made by our oceans
You: so its also a lie
Stranger: Ofcourse but u were just mentioning about the color thats it
Stranger: Though its a mere reflection of water
You: and continuing to us it as a metaphor for god
You: and how the blue is just an illusion
You: like god
Stranger: Ok wait
Stranger: So do u have ans for everything
You: depends if you do
Stranger: Every damn question
Stranger: Nobody hast
Stranger: its the limitation
Stranger: We have to stop at a point
You: so now its god of the gaps
You: what we dont know is god eh
Stranger: U know how earth formed
Stranger: Y did it
You: meteors crushing together
Stranger: Yep thats wat u donno is god
You: so 150 years ago
Stranger: And y did they do so
You: is impossible
You: now is commonplace
You: god of the gaps indeed
Stranger: Wat is life and wat is death
You: living and stopping
You: time to do what you want
You: not what others believe you should
You: respect the people around you
You: the fear of death hold you back
Stranger: Its simple to say there will be a day wen knows everything
Stranger: Wen man knows*
You: we will
You: given eternity everything that can be done will be done. its very simple
Stranger: Ok u win and i dint lose
Stranger: Its just a point of view
Stranger: It cant be changed though...
You: wasnt trying to win though
You: just trying to make u think
Stranger: I know .. But same here
Stranger: Want u to think
Stranger: But pls leave it
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08-08-2012, 01:39 PM
RE: Chatlog thread
The rest of the conversation was him going on about his religion. *yawn*
You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
You and the stranger both like religion.
Stranger: hmm yeah fuck you
Stranger: you theist
Stranger: i'm going to kill god
You: For that to be possible he would have to exist
Stranger: he exists but our god is better
You: Whose god?
Stranger: mine god
You: Which is?
You: Hinduism, huh?
Stranger: yeah not exactly but close
You: Why do you believe in Vishnu?
Stranger: because i can feel his presence and guidance flow in my body
You: Can you feel his guidance in the early morning?
Stranger: i meditate and exercise in the early morning so yes
You: I meant something else, but anyway.
What makes you think your god is better than that of anyone else?
Stranger: my god is the only one that really brings peace and salvation to the world, he isn't a liar
You: Your attitude sounds a lot different.
"hmm yeah fuck you"
"i'm going to kill god"
"he exists but our god is better"
Stranger: indeed so ?
You: You're not representing the piece of your god
Stranger: yes he is very peacefull
You: But you are not
You: You're agressive
Stranger: in the name of him and his preservation i have to, only way to bring peace
Stranger: true this way
You: Is it only agression or also violence?
Stranger: never violence !! you can show anger and intimidate
Stranger: never hurt a soul
Stranger: don't you find it strange i talk about Vishnu as a he ?
You: Not really, to be honest
Stranger: many people see him as a her, just wanted to know
You: "It" makes it sound like an object
Stranger: the it is the spirit
Stranger: the it in you
Stranger: truely open the chakra
Stranger: to live
You: I've got a question for you
You: How would you convince a skeptic that your religion is the right one?
Stranger: by showing him the ways of our teachings, meditate with him and find his calling to life. but don't get me wrong it's not only one view or way to master. every person has to find their own way with him
You: But that sounds a lot like the way people of any other religion do it
Stranger: indeed and that's wrong because ?
You: I didn't say it's wrong, did I?
Stranger: you assume it a bit
Stranger: are you mocking my religion, why ?
You: I'm skeptic about the truth of your religion. From what you've told me there is nothing that other religions don't have that would make it valid.
Stranger: well i could show you, but you are behind your pc now. I need to have a personal encounter
Stranger: personal meditation and a long thinking session, i have those regulary
Stranger: no way to show you through a website
You: That's what I'm talking about. Other religions include personal meditation as well.
Stranger: but in different ways
Stranger: it doesn't matter that other religions do this also, it's about the content and context of the meditation
You: Alright then. I've another question regarding this topic. Would you say that there is any scientific evidence for your belief?
You: Or is it all based on personal experiences while meditating?
Stranger: ah this question again, the scientific approach. You probably don't fully understand our 'god' then. It's more of a spirit a natural force an embodiement we call vishnu. We are the creators of it from our true selfs she only exists if you want it
Stranger: she lives not in the sky or in a fairy tale kingdom, she lives in the bodies of all kind of creatures. we need to find her first in it
Stranger: 'she doesn't exist you know'
Stranger: she's merly there
Stranger: and it's up to you to interpret it the way you want
You: That's interesting, to say the least (no sarcasm). Can you tell me how it's different from Hinduism?
Stranger: well hinduism has more different layers to it, you probably know about the concepts of nirwana or enlightment. We don't really think in that straight path and the road you have to take it. We judge it ourselves through our own chakra (energy) It's also a bit looser in ways. As i said about the interpetation part
Stranger: our's is also more of a faith then a religion
You: I'd argue that every religion relies on faith
Stranger: we don't use the terms apostasy and blasphemy
Stranger: also heresy
Stranger: because who is our god ?
Stranger: it's not an entity
Stranger: or being
Stranger: it's an ideology embodied in this way of life which we call it
You: That sounds very abstract
Stranger: i know it sounds that way to you, but once you read our scrolls and lecture it's not so hard to follow