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28-11-2010, 12:01 AM
 
Check this awesome story about atheism!
Hello! I am from South Korea.

I am learning English in America now.

I used to believe Buddhism but I became an atheist.

In South Korea, many people are atheists.

If you are interested in South Korea or Asian culture, please tell me.

I just came to America so I am lonely Sad

Anyway, I found very interesting story in South Korean's atheists forum.

Check it out!


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At first time, the story was just one part. but 킹꿩 who lives in South Korea made an additional story.

I want to show the story because it is pretty cool.

So, check it out and enjoy.



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Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?


Student : Yes, sir.


Prof: So you believe in God?


Student : Absolutely, sir.


Prof: Is God good?


Student : Sure.


Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?

Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student : No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.

Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


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From here, the story was made by 킹꿩. And the story was translated Korean into English by 제리얼.

(The professor stared the student, satisfied. Someone sitting at the back side raises his hand. The professor’s eye moves onto him, followed by students’. The professor nodded his head as a sign of giving permission to speak.)

Prof : Ok, son, what is it?

Satirev : My name is Satirev, an alumnus of this university.
(We can see 킹꿩's wit : Veritas ? satireV. Also, it can be 'satire.'

Prof : Ok then, for what did you raise your hand?

Sat : I am going to leave this room, because of that insane so-called classmate and a stupid man who is agreeing with him.

(The professor and the student could not play calm. They knew that he was pointing out themselves.)

Prof : Against whom is your dissatisfaction? Against me, or that son?

Sat : I have already heard that “that son” is crazy, but I was not expecting YOU acting like this.

Student : Is there anything wrong with my opinion?

Sat : I will ask you back, what is NOT wrong with your opinion?

(Satirev stood up, and walked down to the platform. The rest of the room was staring at him, breathing quietly. Satirev stood face to face with the Christian student.)

Satirev : You mentioned about electromagnetic wave. Let’s make it sure. You told us that you cannot actually sense ANYTHING of God. You said that E.M. and God both exist as well. Then how can you give us electricity and magnetism as examples, even though you cannot sense? Do you believe in Electromagnetism? Is “Saint” Qualcomm, your second messiah?

(The rest of the class laughed at his last word)

Student : I was trying to say that there exists something that cannot be sensed.

Satirev : Another wordplay. Our five senses surely have their limitation, and again we cannot have any perception with insensible things. For example, infrasound of whales, ultrasound of bats. So we believe in those infrasound and ultrasound, huh?

(Student was not able to say in return.)


Satirev : We are developing various technology to turn insensible into sensible. Invisible, inaudible radio waves are translated into audible sound. Ah, sorry, you believe in radio waves, don’t you? Which channel do you believe in?


(Small laugh from the rest)


Satirev : We do have perception with your ‘not perceptible’ things by scientific means. By graph, by sound, or by whatever.


(Student nervously stared at Satirev)


Satirev : It is very fancy approach, saying that the God is something we cannot sense. The im-measured, the almighty. But hey, there are more objects that cannot be observed!


Student : Angel?


Satirev : Zeus, actually.


(Classroom stirred as Satirev refers Zeus.)


Student : Are you talking about Zeus from Greek mythology?


Satirev : No, Zeus from Greek Bible. It could be a mythology for you. But comparing to Jewish mythology, it is more sensitive, humane and educational. The sacrifice of Jesus is not to be compared to Prometheus’. Jehovah was there from the beginning, interfering EVERY part of the world, but Zeus was a frontier, who have won his universe by fighting against the Titan Gods. So-called Christian Bible is the second Pandora’s Box that Zeus had given. You opened it, you were trapped by him.


Student : Under what evidence can you dare speak that? It is known that who wrote The Old Testament and the New Testament. There is no such evidence that they are Pandora’s Boxes.


Satirev : The “insensible” part ? that is the evidence. Traps are always so clever for rabbits that they cannot know.


Student : You are breaking the common sense.


Satirev : Can you disproof it anyway? I am in relation with Zeus by faith.


(Student seems like have something to talk, but soon he decided not to. He felt embarrassed, knowing that it was nothing but a self-contradiction.)


Satirev : Zeus also said that he is going to throw all Christians like you into the Tartarus, by believing a fake god.


Student : There is no such phrase in Greek Myt...Bible.


Satirev : I am in relation with Zeus, not by book, by faith. What you call “the Holy Spirits”, something like that, whisper me the truth. But they are not the same name with YOURS. They are called, “the Greek Spirits”.



Prof : Can you prove those spirits?



Satirev : Can you accept the Greek Spirits? You are not even sure that you have your brain in your skull. Maybe if you take a Xray picture or MRI of your head, you will pray for it 5 times a day?


(The professor turned into red. Someone was laughing at him, but soon seized after the professor fiercely looked at them.)


Satirev : We’re done with this joke. You’re not even able to disproof Zeus, then how can you tackle others such as Shiva, Ahura Mazda? Your “fine” logic can be applied to every single thing that we can imagine, even the legendary coyote that feeds on Jehovah.



Student : It is against etiquette.


Satirev : Gentle than you people’s attitude against so called atheists or agnostics. Judgement thing, or Hell…something like that.


Student : Ok. I agree that my logic can be abused, but it seems that you didn’t find any contradiction in the logic itself.


(Satirev laughed loud)


Satirev : So, you are proud of your logic thing? Ok, let’s then talk about that. You disagree with Darwinism, right?


Student : I believe in the Creation. As I have said, no one had seen the process of evolution. It is nothing but a theory.


Satirev : Nothing but a theory? Aha, you don’t understand evolution because you don’t observe the evolutionary process, from your phrase.



Student : Yes, I don’t.


Satirev : What about the fossil?


Student : There are too few fossils out there. You probably heard about the Missing Link.


(Satirev could not help laughing at his speech. Student sitting in the left side of the classroom were also watching the situation with smile on their face.)


Satirev : Do you think that I have grown up from infant to this mature body?


Student : Yes, of course.


Satirev : Have you observed my growth? Maybe I was just as I am from the beginning.


(Students laughed. The professor finally turned his back and sat.


Student : You have your pictures.


Satirev : Sure! Graduation pictures of kindergarten, elementary student, middle school, high school, university. It is too bad, that I have lost the rest of the pictures of mine by fire. Oh, we lack my picture to prove my picture! For you, the one who are not satisfied with that so many fossils, 5 pictures are useless to prove my growth. You heard about the Missing Link?


Student : So you have the Missing Link yourself?


Satirev : Yes I do. I have born with Jenifer Lopez’s body. But Hera was jealous of me and turned me into this body.


(The student couldn’t say a word, because the embarrassment Satirev’s phrase gives has not much difference between that of himself. Only thing he could give was sweat.)


Satirev : Embarrassed, huh? I don’t see any sense of duty to refute your logic one by one. According to your logic, I believe in Zeus, and am able to walk under heavy rain without concerning lightning and be proud of my Jenifer Lopez times. You made a logic that can say, technically, ANY imagination may be real.


Student : …


Satirev : Darwinism is a trend. It is not to explain what was there in the very beginning. Function, for example, it is not to find the Y value with x is 0. We instead name the trend of the variation as evolution, and study that. If you cannot understand evolution because of the lack of fossils, you are nothing but a pure middle school student, who cannot draw a graph even though with thousands of points.


(Student thought for a while, and says.)


Student : Is there anything wrong with my opinion about heat and light?


Satirev : Man, are you talking the good god bad god thing? You tried to use heat and cold, light and dark to tackle that professor who is distinguishing good and evil. But they do exist separately. The weakness of good is not evil.


Student : I cannot understand.


Satirev : You didn’t said that foolish thing if you could understand. Let me give you an example. You want a Big Mac, but you lack of 50 cents. If I give you 50 cents, am I good?


Student : Yes, you are.


Satirev : What if I give you a penny?


Student : You are good.


Student : What if I don’t give you a penny?


(The student hesitated.)


Satirev : I am not good. But I am not evil either. If I take your penny, that is evil. You said that the absence of heat is cold, but the absence of goodness is not evil. Not good, not evil ? those middle-class things take most part of your ordinary life. There are millions of people not giving you penny nor taking your penny. Can you simply say that people, the absence of goodness, is evil?


(The rest of class nodded and admired for him. The professor still couldn’t raise his head.)


Satirev : Conclusion. You have made a wrong judgment for the good and the evil, trapping that professor who is not able to see me again, made an arrogant speech that considers your lack of understanding on Darwinism a lack of observation, and gave us a pre-recognized electromagnetic wave as an example to compare with the insensible almighty. And the most important thing is-


(Satirev walked toward the student. The student looked at him, nervous.)


Satirev : The burden of proof is yours. Professor asked you about the God’s presence. Then you had to develop your idea of existence, no matter the professor knows this or that. After all, you have not given us any evidence or logic that can prove the existence of the almighty. You just answered to the professor pointlessly, and made a conclusion of faith. You have proved that you don’t believe in God with reason ? you have proved that you just believe, so God exists.


(Student was with no answer)


Satirev : Look at that so-called professor. Think about how easy the kindergarteners, fresh middle or high school students you can fake. But as it was always, your word cannot be a logical ground of the existence of the God. Now, what remains for you to proof his existence?


Student : Bible remains.


Satirev : Did you forget what the Greek Spirit said? Pandora’s Box! Any disproof?


(Satirev walked out the classroom with joyful laugh. The rest of the students, one by one, cutting the eyes at both the professor and the Christian student, followed him. Soon, only two were left in the classroom ? those two. They didn’t say a thing.)
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28-11-2010, 01:17 AM
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I read some of this one before.

Someone tried to prove god by saying that there is no such thing as cold. Which fails on many levels.

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28-11-2010, 01:57 AM
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lol, I really liked the addition! Thank you for sharing! Smile

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28-11-2010, 04:50 AM
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28-11-2010, 05:53 PM
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That was difficult reading, but well worth it.
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28-11-2010, 07:46 PM
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funnily enough someone tried to use "darkness doesn't exist" in an argument I had with them.
I can't remember what it was about but he said "well the darkness doesn't REALLY exist, its just the absence of light blah, blah, blah" my only response to that was "the darkness is only the absence of light?... no shit sherlock"

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

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28-11-2010, 09:43 PM
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One of the core problems of Theism is that it teaches people to see good and evil as black and white rather then subjective and far more complex then we can imagine.

It's part of why this wonderfully complex, complicated, beautiful world isn't enough for some.
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28-11-2010, 09:56 PM
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(28-11-2010 09:43 PM)Godless Wrote:  One of the core problems of Theism is that it teaches people to see good and evil as black and white rather then subjective and far more complex then we can imagine.

It's part of why this wonderfully complex, complicated, beautiful world isn't enough for some.

and its made so much more wonderful when you realize just how fragile you're place in the world is.

Hey brother christian, with your high and mighty errand, your actions speak so loud, I can't hear a word you're saying.

"This machine kills fascists..."

"Well this machine kills commies!"
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29-11-2010, 12:14 AM
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Or when you realize how short life used to be. I'm 26 and I must admit I still end up in deep thought sometimes when I think that without recent scientific advances 26 used to be a pretty old age and many people died in their 20's.

You will have to forgive me when I say that getting to live twice or even three times longer then our ancestors is pretty cool stuff.
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(28-11-2010 12:01 AM)thishall Wrote:  Hello! I am from South Korea.

I am learning English in America now.

I used to believe Buddhism but I became an atheist.

In South Korea, many people are atheists.

If you are interested in South Korea or Asian culture, please tell me.

I just came to America so I am lonely Sad

Anyway, I found very interesting story in South Korean's atheists forum.

Check it out!


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At first time, the story was just one part. but 킹꿩 who lives in South Korea made an additional story.

I want to show the story because it is pretty cool.

So, check it out and enjoy.



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Professor: You are a Christian, aren't you, son?


Student : Yes, sir.


Prof: So you believe in God?


Student : Absolutely, sir.


Prof: Is God good?


Student : Sure.


Prof: Is God all-powerful?

Student : Yes.

Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm?

(Student is silent.)

Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?

Student :Yes.

Prof: Is Satan good?

Student : No.

Prof: Where does Satan come from?

Student : From...God...

Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Prof: So who created evil?

(Student does not answer.)

Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they?

Student :Yes, sir.

Prof: So, who created them?

(Student has no answer.)

Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God?

Student : No, sir.

Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God?

Student : No , sir.

Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Prof: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Prof: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Prof: Yes.

Student : No sir. There isn't.

(The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?

Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.

Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class is in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain?

(The class breaks out into laughter.)

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?.....No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir.. The link between man & God is FAITH. That is all that keeps things moving & alive.


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From here, the story was made by 킹꿩. And the story was translated Korean into English by 제리얼.

(The professor stared the student, satisfied. Someone sitting at the back side raises his hand. The professor’s eye moves onto him, followed by students’. The professor nodded his head as a sign of giving permission to speak.)

Prof : Ok, son, what is it?

Satirev : My name is Satirev, an alumnus of this university.
(We can see 킹꿩's wit : Veritas ? satireV. Also, it can be 'satire.'

Prof : Ok then, for what did you raise your hand?

Sat : I am going to leave this room, because of that insane so-called classmate and a stupid man who is agreeing with him.

(The professor and the student could not play calm. They knew that he was pointing out themselves.)

Prof : Against whom is your dissatisfaction? Against me, or that son?

Sat : I have already heard that “that son” is crazy, but I was not expecting YOU acting like this.

Student : Is there anything wrong with my opinion?

Sat : I will ask you back, what is NOT wrong with your opinion?

(Satirev stood up, and walked down to the platform. The rest of the room was staring at him, breathing quietly. Satirev stood face to face with the Christian student.)

Satirev : You mentioned about electromagnetic wave. Let’s make it sure. You told us that you cannot actually sense ANYTHING of God. You said that E.M. and God both exist as well. Then how can you give us electricity and magnetism as examples, even though you cannot sense? Do you believe in Electromagnetism? Is “Saint” Qualcomm, your second messiah?

(The rest of the class laughed at his last word)

Student : I was trying to say that there exists something that cannot be sensed.

Satirev : Another wordplay. Our five senses surely have their limitation, and again we cannot have any perception with insensible things. For example, infrasound of whales, ultrasound of bats. So we believe in those infrasound and ultrasound, huh?

(Student was not able to say in return.)


Satirev : We are developing various technology to turn insensible into sensible. Invisible, inaudible radio waves are translated into audible sound. Ah, sorry, you believe in radio waves, don’t you? Which channel do you believe in?


(Small laugh from the rest)


Satirev : We do have perception with your ‘not perceptible’ things by scientific means. By graph, by sound, or by whatever.


(Student nervously stared at Satirev)


Satirev : It is very fancy approach, saying that the God is something we cannot sense. The im-measured, the almighty. But hey, there are more objects that cannot be observed!


Student : Angel?


Satirev : Zeus, actually.


(Classroom stirred as Satirev refers Zeus.)


Student : Are you talking about Zeus from Greek mythology?


Satirev : No, Zeus from Greek Bible. It could be a mythology for you. But comparing to Jewish mythology, it is more sensitive, humane and educational. The sacrifice of Jesus is not to be compared to Prometheus’. Jehovah was there from the beginning, interfering EVERY part of the world, but Zeus was a frontier, who have won his universe by fighting against the Titan Gods. So-called Christian Bible is the second Pandora’s Box that Zeus had given. You opened it, you were trapped by him.


Student : Under what evidence can you dare speak that? It is known that who wrote The Old Testament and the New Testament. There is no such evidence that they are Pandora’s Boxes.


Satirev : The “insensible” part ? that is the evidence. Traps are always so clever for rabbits that they cannot know.


Student : You are breaking the common sense.


Satirev : Can you disproof it anyway? I am in relation with Zeus by faith.


(Student seems like have something to talk, but soon he decided not to. He felt embarrassed, knowing that it was nothing but a self-contradiction.)


Satirev : Zeus also said that he is going to throw all Christians like you into the Tartarus, by believing a fake god.


Student : There is no such phrase in Greek Myt...Bible.


Satirev : I am in relation with Zeus, not by book, by faith. What you call “the Holy Spirits”, something like that, whisper me the truth. But they are not the same name with YOURS. They are called, “the Greek Spirits”.



Prof : Can you prove those spirits?



Satirev : Can you accept the Greek Spirits? You are not even sure that you have your brain in your skull. Maybe if you take a Xray picture or MRI of your head, you will pray for it 5 times a day?


(The professor turned into red. Someone was laughing at him, but soon seized after the professor fiercely looked at them.)


Satirev : We’re done with this joke. You’re not even able to disproof Zeus, then how can you tackle others such as Shiva, Ahura Mazda? Your “fine” logic can be applied to every single thing that we can imagine, even the legendary coyote that feeds on Jehovah.



Student : It is against etiquette.


Satirev : Gentle than you people’s attitude against so called atheists or agnostics. Judgement thing, or Hell…something like that.


Student : Ok. I agree that my logic can be abused, but it seems that you didn’t find any contradiction in the logic itself.


(Satirev laughed loud)


Satirev : So, you are proud of your logic thing? Ok, let’s then talk about that. You disagree with Darwinism, right?


Student : I believe in the Creation. As I have said, no one had seen the process of evolution. It is nothing but a theory.


Satirev : Nothing but a theory? Aha, you don’t understand evolution because you don’t observe the evolutionary process, from your phrase.



Student : Yes, I don’t.


Satirev : What about the fossil?


Student : There are too few fossils out there. You probably heard about the Missing Link.


(Satirev could not help laughing at his speech. Student sitting in the left side of the classroom were also watching the situation with smile on their face.)


Satirev : Do you think that I have grown up from infant to this mature body?


Student : Yes, of course.


Satirev : Have you observed my growth? Maybe I was just as I am from the beginning.


(Students laughed. The professor finally turned his back and sat.


Student : You have your pictures.


Satirev : Sure! Graduation pictures of kindergarten, elementary student, middle school, high school, university. It is too bad, that I have lost the rest of the pictures of mine by fire. Oh, we lack my picture to prove my picture! For you, the one who are not satisfied with that so many fossils, 5 pictures are useless to prove my growth. You heard about the Missing Link?


Student : So you have the Missing Link yourself?


Satirev : Yes I do. I have born with Jenifer Lopez’s body. But Hera was jealous of me and turned me into this body.


(The student couldn’t say a word, because the embarrassment Satirev’s phrase gives has not much difference between that of himself. Only thing he could give was sweat.)


Satirev : Embarrassed, huh? I don’t see any sense of duty to refute your logic one by one. According to your logic, I believe in Zeus, and am able to walk under heavy rain without concerning lightning and be proud of my Jenifer Lopez times. You made a logic that can say, technically, ANY imagination may be real.


Student : …


Satirev : Darwinism is a trend. It is not to explain what was there in the very beginning. Function, for example, it is not to find the Y value with x is 0. We instead name the trend of the variation as evolution, and study that. If you cannot understand evolution because of the lack of fossils, you are nothing but a pure middle school student, who cannot draw a graph even though with thousands of points.


(Student thought for a while, and says.)


Student : Is there anything wrong with my opinion about heat and light?


Satirev : Man, are you talking the good god bad god thing? You tried to use heat and cold, light and dark to tackle that professor who is distinguishing good and evil. But they do exist separately. The weakness of good is not evil.


Student : I cannot understand.


Satirev : You didn’t said that foolish thing if you could understand. Let me give you an example. You want a Big Mac, but you lack of 50 cents. If I give you 50 cents, am I good?


Student : Yes, you are.


Satirev : What if I give you a penny?


Student : You are good.


Student : What if I don’t give you a penny?


(The student hesitated.)


Satirev : I am not good. But I am not evil either. If I take your penny, that is evil. You said that the absence of heat is cold, but the absence of goodness is not evil. Not good, not evil ? those middle-class things take most part of your ordinary life. There are millions of people not giving you penny nor taking your penny. Can you simply say that people, the absence of goodness, is evil?


(The rest of class nodded and admired for him. The professor still couldn’t raise his head.)


Satirev : Conclusion. You have made a wrong judgment for the good and the evil, trapping that professor who is not able to see me again, made an arrogant speech that considers your lack of understanding on Darwinism a lack of observation, and gave us a pre-recognized electromagnetic wave as an example to compare with the insensible almighty. And the most important thing is-


(Satirev walked toward the student. The student looked at him, nervous.)


Satirev : The burden of proof is yours. Professor asked you about the God’s presence. Then you had to develop your idea of existence, no matter the professor knows this or that. After all, you have not given us any evidence or logic that can prove the existence of the almighty. You just answered to the professor pointlessly, and made a conclusion of faith. You have proved that you don’t believe in God with reason ? you have proved that you just believe, so God exists.


(Student was with no answer)


Satirev : Look at that so-called professor. Think about how easy the kindergarteners, fresh middle or high school students you can fake. But as it was always, your word cannot be a logical ground of the existence of the God. Now, what remains for you to proof his existence?


Student : Bible remains.


Satirev : Did you forget what the Greek Spirit said? Pandora’s Box! Any disproof?


(Satirev walked out the classroom with joyful laugh. The rest of the students, one by one, cutting the eyes at both the professor and the Christian student, followed him. Soon, only two were left in the classroom ? those two. They didn’t say a thing.)

:bowing This is my 'kow tow'. Good story, even if a bit long. Welcome to America. Too bad so many Koreans in the US are Christian, huh? I lived in Japan for a couple of months, so understand how lonely going to a foreign place can be -and how confusing. If you need to talk any time, please feel free to. I'm an older woman, but just started college. Maybe I should start an atheist group at the college. Maybe you should, too.
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