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20-11-2013, 01:01 PM
RE: Checkmate, Atheists!
You sure know a lot about people in the porn industry.

Sources? Are there any or just your observations?

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20-11-2013, 01:43 PM
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(20-11-2013 01:01 PM)Anjele Wrote:  You sure know a lot about people in the porn industry.

Sources? Are there any or just your observations?

It's been shared in churches nationwide recently--the thought process is that addicts both Christian and non-Christian will take a boycotting stance based on the will to treat others as they would like to be treated.

My concern is less with the pornographers than it is with those on this forum who use porn. I have limited ability to stop teen runaways from earning $2,000 US for a day's work on set or to stop mobsters from running their prostitutes into porn. But I have a voice here to encourage you to respond to inner promptings that say porn is wrong--and to assert:

*For the love of money/illicit gain, many types of evil are promulgated as the Bible says

*Lust can destroy marriages and children--God's laws are designed for protection (and free will self-protection)!

*Atheists seem to proclaim they are free of guilt, when they are additionally apparently free of morals prevalent in society just a generation or two ago--"Hell, yes. I masturbate to porn. I enjoy it. Why are Christians so uptight about porn?" rather than simply being ashamed of doing wrong--again, this fits Bible prophecy about degenerate culture in the last days--and woe to the nations that do these things.

Bible thumpers harp on abstinence from porn. Is the porn industry harmful to its employees? Are you sure? Is it harmful to users? Are you sure? Spent any time reading online testimonies of marriages and families destroyed by porn?

Again, the Bible people are not just thumping their viewpoints but encouraging people to engage in healthy, mature, lifestyle-enhancing behaviors. This is called "good action".
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20-11-2013, 01:52 PM
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..... reads last 4 pages..... reads biblical nonsense and a lot of bible quote justifications....

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20-11-2013, 02:15 PM
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(20-11-2013 01:52 PM)Logisch Wrote:  ..... reads last 4 pages..... reads biblical nonsense and a lot of bible quote justifications....

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Logisch,

People in the porn industry are dying, faster than others. Do you still feel like trivializing the sex slavery industry, prostitution, broken marriages, broken hearts, and shattered youth?

We Christians like to joke around and have fun as much as anyone. But you ought to be more mature and more careful about what and who you choose to mock.
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20-11-2013, 02:47 PM
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It's been shared in churches...

Very impressive source...are you lost, have you forgotten where you are? Seriously are you ill?

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20-11-2013, 03:22 PM
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(20-11-2013 02:47 PM)Anjele Wrote:  It's been shared in churches...

Very impressive source...are you lost, have you forgotten where you are? Seriously are you ill?

I know atheists like to quote sources. I do too, when they're ironclad, since atheists just like Christians love to discredit sources!

Jesus liked to do differently, rather than to quote sources in the Pharisaical/Rabbinic tradition, He quoted scripture or gave some thought-provoking questions. In other words, always getting you to the source of God or to think.

Watch--we don't need sources--that you can also argue--as if you are blissfully unaware of the endless rounds of debates on college campuses as to the validity and necessity of porn.

Are you a feminist? Do feminists defend porn?-they don't and I don't... I'm on the side of the liberals here, my friend, not the libertarians...

Let's just use logic. I'll ask you some questions and you can formulate your own opinion. I want us to find agreement and harmony here.

Do porn actors and participants strike you as healthy, holistic, confident people?

Do you think after several days of filming gratuitous sex with multiple partners-- even strangers they don't know until filming begins--porn actors go home to happy marriages and other stable love relationships?

Will their future children have healthy mores and safe boundaries mentally and emotionally if they grow old enough to see their parents' past performances on camera?

If I offered you $50,000 to do porn for one year, say, 35 films, would you do so? Why or why not?

Do you think men and women who watch porn frequently are more or less likely to respect other men and women in sexual contexts? Why or why not?

Porn is called "adult entertainment". Do you think there are more or less consequences for ten- and twelve-year-olds who watch porn then there are for seeing an R-rated movie without parental guidance? Why is that?

In your own love life, do you sometimes have trouble focusing on your partner? If during sex, do you fantasize about porn you've seen?

Are you aware of typical porn addiction testimonies that say harder and harder pornography was needed to climax and receive pleasure? Why do you think that is? Others say masturbation and fantasy even became preferred over sex with an adult partner. Is that a healthy lifestyle?

If we need not feel guilt about lust, would you be comfortable sharing that you masturbate to porn on nationwide TV? Why or why not? Do you think all sexual guilt is rooted in religion or in culture or could there be a different source?

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20-11-2013, 03:50 PM
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(20-11-2013 02:15 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  We Christians like to joke around and have fun as much as anyone. But you ought to be more mature and more careful about what and who you choose to mock.

You came on an atheist forum and don't expect the bible to be mocked? Please... I can mock it all I want, who cares? You do? Well, that's too bad. You're on an atheist forum.

No one here cares about spouting verses and what it has to say about this stuff. And what is that last part, some kind of threat? No one here is going to use your book as proof in an argument.

"Wow, after he quoted some bible verses, you know... he really changed my mind. I guess his argument is validated and I am going to become a Christian now." said no one in response to such forum discussions ever.

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20-11-2013, 04:00 PM
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(20-11-2013 02:15 PM)PleaseJesus Wrote:  
(20-11-2013 01:52 PM)Logisch Wrote:  ..... reads last 4 pages..... reads biblical nonsense and a lot of bible quote justifications....

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Logisch,

People in the porn industry are dying, faster than others. Do you still feel like trivializing the sex slavery industry, prostitution, broken marriages, broken hearts, and shattered youth?

We Christians like to joke around and have fun as much as anyone. But you ought to be more mature and more careful about what and who you choose to mock.

Okay, I checked up on this claim.

I found few sites which actually addressed this claim, which include:
http://danielrjennings.org/TheAverageLif...Star.html. I am fairly sceptical of this site; not only is it blatant god-bothering but more importantly it does not seem to provide any sources (aside from a Bible reference) which corroborate it's initial claim.

http://billicaine.com/index.php/blog/20-...ar-deaths. This site has very similar claims to that of the above and actually has a source.

The information from both of the above seems to come from one place (though it's only cited in one); the website and book of one Shelly Lubben. Shelly is an ex-porn actress and reports that there is an average life-span of 37.43 years for porn actors, a ruling of which seems to be based on the porn actor population of California which numbered around 2000 individuals as of 2007, 119 of which died between then '07 and 2013, 39 of which were due to cancers, lung disease and heart failure which of course has a high death toll in the general population anyway. I must stress that I didn't find a study one her site. Her claims were there but I didn't find, for example, links to the research paper from which the claims must have been made.

One interesting thing I would like to note; through my small time researching this, it seems that there are two constants; the majority of anti-porn advocates are either A) Evangelical Christian or B) a feminist activist. Of which claims are almost assuredly encountered; "It's a sin" and "Women are objectified (never mind the men)", the first one is arguable as it assumes sin is even a real thing, the second generalisation is far more accurate, but focusing of women objectification above that of men (Y U NO EQUALITY?!) is pretty bias.


I have found no evidence to support your claim that people in the porn industry are dying off faster than others. I couldn't even find a total death rate to compare against other industries. I can't even assume Shelly Lubben's report to be the average per every 2000 members of the industry to use that because I couldn't find even a rough number of people in the industry... (fun fact though, Utah is the largest paid consumer of internet porn in the US).

Anyway, since no information in that way was forthcoming I turned to death rates by industry to see just which industry had a higher death rate total.
According to US Department of Labour's Bureau of Labor Statistics, the industry with the greatest amount of fatalities (as of 2012 census) was Transportation and Warehousing:
BLS Wrote:Among service-providing industries in the private sector, fatal work injuries in transportation and warehousing
accounted for 677 fatal work injuries in 2012, a decrease of 10 percent over the revised 2011 count (749 fatalities)

In addition Transport & material moving also had the highest deaths by occupation, in addition to industry.
BLS also Wrote:Fatal work injuries in transportation and material moving occupations were down 7 percent to 1,150 in 2012.
Fatal work injuries in this occupational group accounted for about one quarter of all fatal occupational injuries.
Drivers/sales workers and truck drivers was the subgroup within transportation and material moving occupations with
the highest number of fatal injuries. Dropping 4 percent, this subgroup recorded 741 fatalities in 2012. Fatal
injuries to taxi drivers and chauffeurs were down 28 percent to a series low of 46.

Funnily enough, the porn industry doesn't even rate apparently.

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20-11-2013, 04:03 PM
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(20-11-2013 04:00 PM)Free Thought Wrote:  Funnily enough, the porn industry doesn't even rate apparently.

Reminds me of an episode of brickleberry... some of those moves are probably kinda dangerous... like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-kyGQFtbYY

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20-11-2013, 04:09 PM
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It's ironic that PJ is badmouthing the pornography industry by claiming it does harm when he's an active member of an industry that has harmed billions of people in far more serious ways–organised religion.
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