Poll: Are Child Limit Laws moral, and should we use them?
Child limit laws are immoral.
Child limit laws are immoral, but need to be enforced.
Child limit laws are not immoral, and need to be enforced.
The earth is not overpopulated, continue with status quo.
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30-03-2012, 12:38 PM
RE: Child Limit Laws
(30-03-2012 12:26 PM)Antirepublican Wrote:  
(29-03-2012 10:34 PM)AnotherSinner Wrote:  Personally, I am not in favor of the idea of a law limiting the amount of children any one person may have. It would not only impede on an individual's rights....it just is not the goverment's place to force any given person to go through with an operation.

Resources, if we could recycle and consider the waste that is being put out...and well basically start caring more and demonstrating it, every little bit would count. If there really are 7 million of us and counting, imagine the difference each of us could make if we gave a little.
Think if anything laws should be passed requiring certain forms of enviromental clean up or care to be done so as to clean up the mess we have made.
Just my two cents.
What about the rights of the single kids born to responsible parents? What about them? One day they are going to be born in a world near devoid of resources. These baby bombers are taking their very right to be alive away by wasting future resources. We are talking a potential end of humanity!
The difference seems to be whether you view having children as a privilege or as a right. I'm afraid you aren't going to have much luck convincing global governments that childbearing is a privilege.

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30-03-2012, 02:20 PM (This post was last modified: 30-03-2012 04:45 PM by ClydeLee.)
RE: Child Limit Laws
(30-03-2012 12:38 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(30-03-2012 12:26 PM)Antirepublican Wrote:  What about the rights of the single kids born to responsible parents? What about them? One day they are going to be born in a world near devoid of resources. These baby bombers are taking their very right to be alive away by wasting future resources. We are talking a potential end of humanity!
The difference seems to be whether you view having children as a privilege or as a right. I'm afraid you aren't going to have much luck convincing global governments that childbearing is a privilege.
What are the laws that work with child services though. Having a child always seems to be treated as a right... but keeping it doesn't seem to be that way since it's the guardians legal obligation to care for the well being of that child. Almost sounds like it is a privilege to keep ones child.

Perhaps there is better words or ways of looking at it than that, but it seems slightly similar since a parent doesn't have the right to do anything they want with ones child.

Btw, I do recall seeing a news story a few months ago about some hospitals I believe in one of the Carolina's that were sterilizing women when they had to preform emergency cesarean sections. They were being sued for doing this but the law they were going off to justify the action was something about doing what is in the best measure to prevent further pregnancies when dealing with teenage or underprivileged mothers. They seemed to take it to an extreme.
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30-03-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: Child Limit Laws
Sterilisation is ofcourse out of the question. But have the parents pay more tax so that society can adjust to and for the increasing population.

Also keep in mind that if all 2 person couples have 1 child now, there won't be enough people to keep the place running in 50 years. Like healthcare professionals for in the old folks homes...

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30-03-2012, 04:16 PM
RE: Child Limit Laws
(30-03-2012 03:42 PM)Caveman Wrote:  Sterilisation is ofcourse out of the question. But have the parents pay more tax so that society can adjust to and for the increasing population.

Also keep in mind that if all 2 person couples have 1 child now, there won't be enough people to keep the place running in 50 years. Like healthcare professionals for in the old folks homes...
As has been said earlier in the thread, there will be potential problem in some areas like social security. However, as time passes that problem just becomes more severe. I am not sure if health care professionals will be in short supply though. I guess that could be an issue, but I kind of doubt it. If demand goes up that high, then wages will surely follow to attract new people to the field.
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03-04-2012, 02:07 PM
RE: Child Limit Laws
What do you guys think about euthanizing old people, sort of like how you do your old dog. You know he is better off not suffering like that.
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03-04-2012, 02:27 PM
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There is a natural population decrease in humans when child mortality rates decrease.
More developed countries averge less than the replacement rate of 2.1 children per female.
Population control is better served through bringing up the poorer countries standards of living and allowing women to control their reproductive needs.
The way that you "don't do this" is tell women that birth control in infanticide. Thanks to Mother Teresa for that one.
Thanks also to the muslims who believe that women are baby machines and cooks for the male population, and target practice for acid face pitching, a sport I am told.
Child limit laws as seen in China cause imbalance in male-female population with the abortion of the female fetus. This will cause a overall population crash as female populations crash.

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03-04-2012, 02:30 PM
RE: Child Limit Laws
(03-04-2012 02:07 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  What do you guys think about euthanizing old people, sort of like how you do your old dog. You know he is better off not suffering like that.
Depends. Has the patient been reviewed by at least 1 psychiatrist and 1 physician to evaluate that persons quality of life and ability to recover from any medical issues? If so and the patient is requesting it then I'm all for euthanasia.

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03-04-2012, 05:26 PM (This post was last modified: 03-04-2012 05:30 PM by Antirepublican.)
RE: Child Limit Laws
(03-04-2012 02:27 PM)Thomas Wrote:  There is a natural population decrease in humans when child mortality rates decrease.
More developed countries averge less than the replacement rate of 2.1 children per female.
Population control is better served through bringing up the poorer countries standards of living and allowing women to control their reproductive needs.
The way that you "don't do this" is tell women that birth control in infanticide. Thanks to Mother Teresa for that one.
Thanks also to the muslims who believe that women are baby machines and cooks for the male population, and target practice for acid face pitching, a sport I am told.
Child limit laws as seen in China cause imbalance in male-female population with the abortion of the female fetus. This will cause a overall population crash as female populations crash.
Youare trying to draw blood out of an acorn. The problem is the lack of resources, so fixing the problem by giving these people more resources
seem a bit absurd.

Also your idea does absolutely nothing to combat the current overpopulation problem. The earth is already populated, and a 2.1 children per female is still an exponential growth rate.

Also, the imbalance of the male-female population is due solely to the Chinese culture. The Chinese family prizes the first born son as the future head of the family.

The Chinese population will surely see a huge drop in the next 100 years, which is a very good thing. This is just proof that this will work, and work quite quickly. Once the population is brought down to a reasonable # you can then allow two children per family.
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29-05-2012, 09:48 PM
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We, as humans, have a need to sexually reproduce. We should not be deprived of it. We should able to have all the kinky sex and babies we want without it being a particular problem with the government.
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29-05-2012, 10:40 PM (This post was last modified: 29-05-2012 10:45 PM by DeepThought.)
RE: Child Limit Laws
(29-05-2012 09:48 PM)Thecreativelynamed Wrote:  We, as humans, have a need to sexually reproduce. We should not be deprived of it. We should able to have all the kinky sex and babies we want without it being a particular problem with the government.
Thats a little short sighted and irresponsible don't you think?

If people breed beyond their means to unsustainable population levels it's a problem for everyone. Government is there to serve the needs of the people - society as a whole. Ensuring everyone has access to basic needs: shelter/water/food/education/etc.

Your breeding policy very outdated and not at all grounded in reality of living.

What kind of future do you want for your kids?

Sometimes less=more.... Quality over quantity.. Especially in situations like this.

Parents with less kids are able to allocate more time and resources to the kids. These kids on average have better education and a better future.

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