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14-08-2017, 05:14 AM
RE: Children and video games
As a kid, I was allowed to play whatever I liked. Granted that back then GTA was top down, and not graphically violent like it is now, but I did get the early GTA3/Vice City/San Andreas "before I was old enough" and I turned out alright. Also played all the generic army games, and stuff like Soldier of Fortune which was VERY violent, and again I'm not a derranged serial killer....(That I know of).

That being said, my daughter is 7 and she's not allowed to go on any games that involve shooting/language/that type of thing, as we feel it's probably just not cool for her to see that at a young age. We're slowly introducing her to movie "grown up" movies, (rated 12 here, I suppose PG-13 is the equivalent in the US?), but have kept anything above that off limits for now.

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15-08-2017, 12:16 PM
RE: Children and video games
IMO the greatest risk is the interaction with other people over xbox live. I play the COD franchise games but do so only with private party chats, in other words I mute the lobby except for the friends I play with. The hatred, racism, threats, foul language etc can be overwhelming.

Before I muted the lobby, every once in a while I'd encounter some very young kid who was getting bullied in a lobby and was firing back hateful speech that made me wonder how this kid would turn out. 10 year olds should not be threatening anal rape or spouting the N or C words.

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15-08-2017, 12:22 PM
RE: Children and video games
(15-08-2017 12:16 PM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  IMO the greatest risk is the interaction with other people over xbox live. I play the COD franchise games but do so only with private party chats, in other words I mute the lobby except for the friends I play with. The hatred, racism, threats, foul language etc can be overwhelming.

Before I muted the lobby, every once in a while I'd encounter some very young kid who was getting bullied in a lobby and was firing back hateful speech that made me wonder how this kid would turn out. 10 year olds should not be threatening anal rape or spouting the N or C words.

Good point. I have witnessed some of the same. In fact, I know some people get kicks out of getting under the skin of younger players. I do actually pay attention to what he hears or listens to, and so far, he's been very quick to mute the lobbies.

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15-08-2017, 03:48 PM
RE: Children and video games
Not reading 4 pages of this but i read the first page.

First off the one concern that has been voiced before, I want to say something about that one too.
I am not sure how you define your ballparks of violence. So all those shooters and so on are full of guns, blood, hunting each other, they are competitive as hell too (some of the games). And all of those are okay.
GTA shows some boobs and has a bit of dirty talk but that one is not okay.
You say your kid is 10 years old. It is very likely that he has seen some boobs and I am not speaking of mom stepping out of the shower without a bra (which would be something normal at home). I am talking about older kids at school, friends on the playground etc, showing what they saw on phones photos magazines. You have billboards and TV ads full of sexually loaded ads. Movies with sex scenes, cartoons hinting at sexual content. So whatever you think you are protecting your kid from, he has probably seen it already and if not, it will not scar him.
It makes no sense to me that boobs and moaning is worse than blood and killing and that is why i don't understand the ballparks you are talking about. Then again, you are the parent, so whatever your rules are and however they make sense in your mind, that is what goes in your house.

That out of the way:

Generally about kids and gaming. I see it as a positive thing for some reasons. But gaming for kids, in my opinion, really needs to be managed by the parents. By that I mean mostly just how much time the kid may spend on gaming. I say that the time is important because it is very easy to get addicted to computer and console games and also to be removed from the real world so suddenly the games have more importance then real life.
My mom used to let me play 1 hour of nintendo a day. And that was to be shared with my brothers. So we would sit on the nintendo and take turns - the rule was when you die you hand over the controller - and after an hour everybody got one more turn and the thing was off for the day. That way we got school things, chores, and playing outside done.

Nowadays though, I feel that gaming, especially on the computer has A LOT of positive effects on kids, even as young as 10 years old.
- stimulate the ability to focus
- foster quick thinking / decision making (depends on the game)
- foster ability to work as part of a team (depends on the game)
- stimulate hand eye coordination
- foster reading skills
- foster language skills (especially when using voice chat)
- teach different computer skills (typing, learning different tools, using google to find walkthroughs or solve errors, etc)

But still, even as a kid nowadays, i would likely limit to an hour. Because added to that hour is probably some computer time for things like school work or watching stuff etc. So screen time is already a lot.

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16-08-2017, 06:58 AM
RE: Children and video games
(11-08-2017 01:15 PM)reeveseb Wrote:  Question for all of you who have game systems and children. I have a 10 year old son who plays just about whatever he wants. Call of Duty, Halo, Minecraft, Zombies, Battlefield, etc. I don't really have a very good reason, but I won't let him play Grand Theft Auto, other than I heard somewhere that you can perform various sexual acts.
Never played myself so I don't know for sure. Other than that, everything else is fair game. Some of them are violent, yes. But in my opinion, a strong and healthy family environment with rules, boundaries and expectations more than make up for the influence violent video games might have on his ability to function in real life.

Has anyone else had any issues deciding what is or what isn't appropriate for kiddos?


Don't know if anyone said this, but.... You can not perform sex acts in any of the GTA games. Period.

Where that rumor comes from is there was a mission in development that never made it into the final cut of the game that was a sex scene (with a prostitute I think) and hackers found the code on the disk and were able to play it. In order for you to access that however you would have to hack both your gaming console AND the game. You can't access it any other way it was just on the one game and almost all games do stuff like that (not with sex per sey but with leaving additional build content on the disk without having it load into the game, some companies will even put downloadable content on the game disk then you pay for the code to be sent to unlock it, found that a few times with friends).

That said GTA really isn't designed or marketed to children. When I worked at a video game store I'd have kids that couldn't read (as old as 16) ask me for "That game" they'd point and repeat it cause they were illiterate. I'd tell the parents about the game (cause I knew they'd bitch later), they'd say "I don't care just sell them the game." Then they'd come back a few days later trying to return it. Which... you can't just return a game cause you don't like it. You can trade it back in for less than you bought it for. I'd tell them this and they'd get all mad. Whelp I did tell them so.....


That said, I do not personally support or advocate building a rubber room for kids to grow up in. When I was a kid I'd sneak into the living room while my dad was passed out in front of various chuck Norris movies with nudity right there on late night network television. I personally don't give a fuck if when I have a child they play GTA. Video games do not cause violence, in fact the data show's they tend to reduce violence. Especially games like GTA. Every time a GTA game is released crime rate drops, why? Cause everyone is too busy playing the game to be out there causing trouble. And real gamers like me? Fuck I love violence.... in video games.... I hate real violence though. There's a HUGE difference. I've played violent video games all my life and they never harmed me at all. In fact I'd prolly have committed suicide when I hit 10 years old if I didn't have games (in general violent ones included). I was also an active child that would fall out of trees or off the roofs of 2 story buildings or have bike accidents at top speed going down a hill all the skin on my legs and arms pretty much just gone, no helmet (I have never owned a helmet in my life). I was a latchkey kid that took care of my own damn self after school, for several years anyway. I was exposed to internet porn since it first became a thing, back long before age verification ect. Would hang out in those old AOL chat room sex rooms when they were a thing, that was all before I was 16. I even made Acetylene bombs and potato bazookas and all sorts of dangerous shit half of which I got out of the anarchist cook book. I would hang out in hacker forums too back then, and would make random shit out of whatever parts I could get my hands on.

What I didn't do. I never actually had sex (with the exception of being raped while in diapers and again at around 16), didn't drink or do any kind of drugs, though I never really had a problem with them. Frankly no one ever asked if I wanted to.... and I never got arrested or got into any real trouble (pissing off my abusive addict father doesn't count, I got the shit kicked out of me all the time by bullies at school and the big bully at home but that's different). I'm 35 now, I survived. And I can tell you man video games aren't the thing in this world you should be scared of. Just... pointing that out. Your kid will get to play any video game they want to, or see any movie they want to and there ain't a damn thing you can do to stop them. They'll have sex when they choose (unless they are like me and are too unpopular and too quiet to ever actually talk to a girl lol). I mean I do get it that you want your kid to have the best life they can have, but I don't like overly strict parents personally. Partially cause, it doesn't fucking work. Partially cause it's stupid. And partially cause it's counter productive to a child's development (I personally think). Sure that's based largely on my life experiences, but over protection of children is a huge problem these days, it's making a bunch of fucking adults incapable of dealing with any level of hardship and they have to make up problems where none exist, that's a direct result of shitty parenting and it's demonstrably so, it's not just some old fuck like me saying so.

But that's just me. I'm also not a parent, and it's unlikely any woman would ever find me a suitable mate so I doubt I'll ever become a parent. Which is sad, cause... I'd like to be a dad.

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16-08-2017, 07:08 AM
RE: Children and video games
(15-08-2017 12:16 PM)devilsadvoc8 Wrote:  IMO the greatest risk is the interaction with other people over xbox live. I play the COD franchise games but do so only with private party chats, in other words I mute the lobby except for the friends I play with. The hatred, racism, threats, foul language etc can be overwhelming.

Before I muted the lobby, every once in a while I'd encounter some very young kid who was getting bullied in a lobby and was firing back hateful speech that made me wonder how this kid would turn out. 10 year olds should not be threatening anal rape or spouting the N or C words.

When I was a kid I rejected and hated censorship, now the N word I kinda understand. No one ever said it when I was a kid so I never even heard it until I was an adult, but fucking hell man. I'd say every other word out there and still do.... Just not anywhere my parents would find out cause they'd beat the shit out of me. Then again they beat the shit out of me pretty often anyway so.... I'm still against censorship though, this includes censorship via whiny random fucks out in the street. It's a free country after all. We start censorship and it's not long before people like me are round up and killed because I'm pretty much a non conformist or something like that, self preservation alone dictates that I value my freedoms as a disagreeable anti authoritarian type personality.

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16-08-2017, 11:12 AM
RE: Children and video games
Purely for the sake of contrariness Rob, I can list all the counterproductive claims for computer games that you list...

(15-08-2017 03:48 PM)Leerob Wrote:  Nowadays though, I feel that gaming, especially on the computer has A LOT of positive effects on kids, even as young as 10 years old.

- stimulate the ability to focus... Which distracts them from more impactful, real-life events that're occurring around them.

- foster quick thinking / decision making (depends on the game)... Which can stifle longer, more rational thought processes.

- foster ability to work as part of a team (depends on the game)... Computer games can often isolate the individual in an imaginary world of their own.

- stimulate hand eye coordination... As can the more healthy activities such as handball, Frisbee, or rock climbing.

- foster reading skills... Nope. High school leavers (in Australia) currently require remedial English to enter universities—in order to write theses.

- foster language skills (especially when using voice chat)... Nope. How many US-born kids can read Russian or Indonesian or Japanese? Or even more critically, speak them?

- teach different computer skills (typing, learning different tools, using google to find walkthroughs or solve errors, etc)... Typing abilities, error-solving, and research skills can easily be enabled without using a computer, and Google has made kids intellectually very lazy.

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16-08-2017, 12:42 PM
RE: Children and video games
(16-08-2017 11:12 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Purely for the sake of contrariness Rob, I can list all the counterproductive claims for computer games that you list...

(15-08-2017 03:48 PM)Leerob Wrote:  Nowadays though, I feel that gaming, especially on the computer has A LOT of positive effects on kids, even as young as 10 years old.

- stimulate the ability to focus... Which distracts them from more impactful, real-life events that're occurring around them.

- foster quick thinking / decision making (depends on the game)... Which can stifle longer, more rational thought processes.

- foster ability to work as part of a team (depends on the game)... Computer games can often isolate the individual in an imaginary world of their own.

- stimulate hand eye coordination... As can the more healthy activities such as handball, Frisbee, or rock climbing.

- foster reading skills... Nope. High school leavers (in Australia) currently require remedial English to enter universities—in order to write theses.

- foster language skills (especially when using voice chat)... Nope. How many US-born kids can read Russian or Indonesian or Japanese? Or even more critically, speak them?

- teach different computer skills (typing, learning different tools, using google to find walkthroughs or solve errors, etc)... Typing abilities, error-solving, and research skills can easily be enabled without using a computer, and Google has made kids intellectually very lazy.

I didn't say that computer games are good replace the real world. I said these things can be fostered and stimulated. That is it. It is up to the parent how they want their kids to learn skills etc. I personally am for a good balance. Sure let them play but I think the 1 hour limit is a good one and I am sure I will apply that

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16-08-2017, 05:08 PM
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(16-08-2017 12:42 PM)Leerob Wrote:  
(16-08-2017 11:12 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Purely for the sake of contrariness Rob, I can list all the counterproductive claims for computer games that you list...


- stimulate the ability to focus... Which distracts them from more impactful, real-life events that're occurring around them.

- foster quick thinking / decision making (depends on the game)... Which can stifle longer, more rational thought processes.

- foster ability to work as part of a team (depends on the game)... Computer games can often isolate the individual in an imaginary world of their own.

- stimulate hand eye coordination... As can the more healthy activities such as handball, Frisbee, or rock climbing.

- foster reading skills... Nope. High school leavers (in Australia) currently require remedial English to enter universities—in order to write theses.

- foster language skills (especially when using voice chat)... Nope. How many US-born kids can read Russian or Indonesian or Japanese? Or even more critically, speak them?

- teach different computer skills (typing, learning different tools, using google to find walkthroughs or solve errors, etc)... Typing abilities, error-solving, and research skills can easily be enabled without using a computer, and Google has made kids intellectually very lazy.

I didn't say that computer games are good replace the real world. I said these things can be fostered and stimulated. That is it. It is up to the parent how they want their kids to learn skills etc. I personally am for a good balance. Sure let them play but I think the 1 hour limit is a good one and I am sure I will apply that

I played games my whole life, but I was also a very active kid and spent tons of time outdoors. I agree with you Rob.

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16-08-2017, 05:58 PM
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Me very too Big Grin (i grammar much)

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