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21-08-2011, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 21-08-2011 04:32 PM by cufflink.)
RE: Christian Angry Birds
This is painful.

I have to commend your patience and calm in the face of this assault--because that's what it is. I'm not a violent guy, but if my mother-in-law was constantly telling my 6-year-old I was going to hell for not believing in God or Jesus, I might be tempted to show up on her doorstep with a .38 and an ultimatum.

I'm no expert on kids and I certainly don't know your daughter, but I wonder if she might not be old enough for a conversation about, well, epistemology. (I probably wouldn't use that term. Smile ) Basically, how do we know what we think we know?

Building on what Peterkin and Sines said above, you might sit her down and ask, "I know Grandma has been talking to you about God and hell and all that stuff. How do you think she knows about it?" You could get her to see that Grandma "knows" those things because someone told her, and THEY know it because someone told THEM, and so on and so on. No one has had any direct experience! And there's also the Bible, a very old book with some good in it but also a lot of really silly stuff, like a snake that can talk. It's a story--an interesting story but just a story.

Also, what have you told her, and what does she believe, about Santa Claus? Is there any connection you can make to that? She may not be too young for you to point out that it's a story too--in this case, a nice story--and a lot of kids think it's really true, but she's smart enough to know there isn't really a fat man with a beard who rides around in the sky in a sleigh pulled be reindeer and full of presents, who comes down the chimney to put things under the Christmas tree. It's a story--just like God and heaven and hell.

Please let us know how things go.

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21-08-2011, 04:54 PM
RE: Christian Angry Birds
I'm all for showing your kids all kinds of beliefs from across the world. Personally, I'd start with reincarnation because it might sound much more appealing than eternity in hell just for not being gullible enough. According to the most widely believed myth, it doesn't matter what you do or don't believe, when you die, your soul will be reborn in another body either way. The only thing that can make a difference is whether you were good or bad in general in your previous lives.

Another thing you could do is to explain that the "hell for unbelievers" thing is a meme virus. That is, if you think that your kids are mature enough to understand it. If you have a copy of one of those "send this to 3 people or you'll have bad luck" chain mails, you could use that to explain it. If your kids have seen Star Wars and they know the "Fear leads to suffering" line, use it. Fear of some supernatural punishment is what meme viruses use to propagate.

And I'll also tell you to use complete shut-out if necessary. I for one sincerely wish my parents did that with my grandmother back when I was 3 years old. It may not look that way from an adult's perspective but the amount of damage a conflict between parents and grandparents about little kids' upbringing can cause is incredible. It doesn't even have to be about religion at all.
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23-12-2012, 11:27 AM (This post was last modified: 23-12-2012 03:40 PM by FSM_scot.)
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(16-08-2011 10:39 AM)Raven Wrote:  
I had an issue come up several days ago with my 6 year old daughter. My husband is agnostic and I'm atheist. My mother-in-law is a conservative Christian who believes that Jesus is coming back soon and that the "end times" are upon us. My children stay with her sometimes when I'm gone doing my army duties for the reserves and apparently she has been preaching to my daughter to win a convert.

My daughter was playing "Angry Birds" on her iPad and asked me about the birds. "Do the birds go to heaven when they hit the pigs and die?" I told her that it was just a game but she insisted that if the birds weren't Christian that they wouldn't go to heaven. I asked her where she got that from and she said it was from her grandmother (my mother-in-law). She has been working on my daughter when I'm not around telling her about Christianity and how her mother (myself) is going to hell because I don't believe in god. I tried to tell her that it was just her grandmother's opinion and that some people don't believe in god but she insisted that god exists. Her grandmother has been praying with her before bedtime when she stays there as well.

I grew up with anxiety issues due to being raised in a hell fire and brimstone church and it took me 35 years to come out of that system. I don't want my children to have the same fears of hell and damnation that I acquired but my mother-in-law sees this as a mission to save her grandchildren.

My daughter was also upset about the pigs dying in the game so I told her that they believed in god but they're Jewish but not kosher. LOL. That answer seemed to satisfy her but she still keeps asking me questions. Does anyone have any advice on how to deal with my in-laws incessant discipling of my children?



Hi there

I asked this question myself of God, not too long ago, and maybe the answer I got will help you and your daughter.

Before I get into that I would like to say I think its great that you seem to be taking a lot of time and care to ensure that your own feelings about this topic, and about your mother in law (hereafter cos I am a lazy typist it will be "MIL") dont influence your daughter. It seems to me that you are very committed to allowing your child to think about and come to her own conclusions on this. So I would like to applaud you for that, especially in a situation which sounds from what you say, as though its an area where you have had some hurtful experiences. I think it takes a lot of maturity and foresight to be able to consciously focus on not making that a part of how your talk with your daughter about this stuff.

Anyway - regarding animals and heaven and çhristian' angry birds (LOL) (I LOVE the game myself - I am sure god must have a chuckle as he sees stuff like this that his children (ie rovio) come up with

When I ask God about something specific I tend to play it like a little game, I will say god please tell me or show me about (whatever the question is). Often I will ask him to lead me to a bible verse about it. So on this occasion I said to god that I wanted to know if animals went to heaven and how (do all go, some, and if so how are they selected). Then I went and flipped open my bible onto a random page and looked at the place in the two open pages in front of me where I felt lead to

This is what I found - its biblical - so the mother in law can read this herself in gods word.

Anyway there were two passages I opened my bible straight to. The first is revelation 5:13
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=NLT which talks about 'everything in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea.
To me that's obviously not referring to humans only - how many humans live under the sea? And it is also referring to under the earth which may well refer to those who by the time these things happen, have died - human or animal.
Note it also says everyTHING... not every man, or every person. Many other places in the bible say every man or person, yet when I looked at different translations of the bible all of them said "thing', not man or person.

The second one is:
Col: 1:20 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ion=NLT...

Revelation 5:13
New Living Translation (NLT)
13 And then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. They sang:

“Blessing and honor and glory and power
belong to the one sitting on the throne
and to the Lamb forever and ever.”




Colossians 1:20
New Living Translation (NLT)

20 and through him God reconciled
everything to himself.
He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth
by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.


So in both the passages my bible happened to open at after I asked god about this, I get passages which make a very specific and clear point of referring to 'everything' and of not referring to man, men, people.
In case that isn't clear, god goes on to specifically in the first example, refer to every thing in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea. IN the Message version of the bible the first passage is even more specific saying
"Not only that, but all the broken and dislocated pieces of the universe—people and things, animals and atoms—get properly fixed and fit together in vibrant harmonies, all because of his death, his blood that poured down from the cross.

To me that is god making it loud and clear that animals are included in heaven. And to my understanding (both of the bible and the reality of what I see in the world around me) animals are without sin.... So logically this would mean they must all go to heaven

One of the above passages is preceded by a statement about how vast heaven is, so that may also be a hint - that yes, there is room in heaven for every animal that has or will live on earth

Anyway, in my opinion, both the pigs and the birds will go to heaven, as they are both innocent animals.

I am a relatively new christian so don't know the bible inside and out so I may be totally wrong here - but I have to say when I read that the MIL said only christian birds go to heaven, I was thinking "What??" and at the same time laughing at the thought of these birds all going to church and singing hymms loudly lol

Finally I probably shouldn't say this as its a judgmental thing for a christian to say, but personally I feel the whole fire and brimstone thing - well sometimes I wonder if its the enemy (satan) trying to influence or deceive those leading churches. After all - if everything people see of Christianity is judgmental and full of reprimands, telling off, and so on,or if it seems that the only way to be a christian is to give up everything fun, and becomes some sort of horrendously boring, dare-i-say-it...wanker telling everyone else off the moment they even think about something fun... ... well if i were the devil and wanted to stop as many people from being saved as I could... making them think Christianity was something that they couldnt ever feel they could be themselves in.... that would be a great way of stopping loads of people from being saved.
Its certainly the impression I had of god and religion before I was saved, and impression I got from a number of places. I was pretty surprised to find out that god is a real 'person' and in my experience is nothing like that.

Finally - my advice - for what its worth, is to look into these things yourself when your daughter asks you about them. Just because you are not a christian yourself, does not mean you cannot open a bible, or talk to a christian friend (who you know will give you a non judgmental, non critical and honest answer/opinion of their own).
I should also say that I am sure your mother in law is acting with the best of intentions, based on what she feels is the best/only way forward, and though I personally dont agree with what your daughter has said shes been told by her, at the end of the day we are all just human, trying to do the best we can, and often making a right mess of it. So I am sure you can probably see that even if she is aggravating the life out of you, shes only doing it because she thinks its the best and most important thing for your daughter.

To your daughter, as someone who does know Jesus (and man is he a long suffering tolerant chap lol) - I would say, that the birds and pigs will go to heaven.... Because birds and pigs are just trying to get some food and look after their children, so they arent sinning, and god loves he pigs and the birds
To me, they are born christian and don't have to 'become' christian, and at the same time cant not be christian. Separation from god is through sin which we humans (me included) choose to do, and this is why Jesus died for our sins, because we couldn't ever become sinless through our own actions and willpower. Animals don't know what sin really is, and cant commit it. Thus I think they are born, and die, as saved creatures included in the everything, and all as used in the bible.

You probably don't want to get into a theology debate with the MIL as it sounds to me like the kind of thing no one would ever win, but maybe instead you can just talk to your daughter about these things in a way that says that sometimes different adults think different things and thats ok because if she believes in god, she can ask him herself to show her the answer - because he will listen to and answer her, as if she were the most important person on earth.
It sounds like you would like her to grow up to be a strong woman who has the courage and self confidence to ask her own questions, do her own research and trust in her own conclusions. Whether you believe in god yourself or not, you probably hear us Christians always going on about how he loves every single one of us and how important we are. So if your daughter believes in him, or might do, she can also believe that she is able to ask him herself any questions like this - even at age 6 - and feel confident he will answer her.



Hope that helps ......


Im sure the angry birds - every lovely squawking one of them is going to heaven.....along with the pigs Smile

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23-12-2012, 04:43 PM
RE: Christian Angry Birds
I see the above post was modified by Scotty.

It's a parody, right?

Yes

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23-12-2012, 04:59 PM
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(23-12-2012 04:43 PM)DLJ Wrote:  I see the above post was modified by Scotty.

It's a parody, right?

Yes

There was a whole bunch of junk text which made the post twice the size that I removed.

But I think this guy is serious.

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23-12-2012, 05:01 PM
RE: Christian Angry Birds
What the actual fuck did I just read? Whoever is behind this obviously had too much time on their hands (and possibly, booze as well). Laugh out load
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23-12-2012, 05:37 PM
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Your child is being brainwashed by demonstrable falsehoods and malicious ideals which can and do negatively effect children as they grow into adults.

Tell your mother-in-law to back the fuck off, or you will make sure she never sees her granddaughter again. If she continues to poison your daughter, make good on that promise.

I can't believe all the people saying it's a tough situation and suggesting you should meekly tip-toe around it. No, your child is being mentally abused. She is being intellectually molested by a trusted family member who knows that she must do so behind your back, because you will obviously have an issue with it. This is not a delicate situation by any means: your child's head is being raped by her grandmother. Fix it.

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23-12-2012, 07:50 PM
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You really have to set it straight with their grandmother, that is not cool to do that to the kids. (Teaching them about hell on a innocent game) If she can't respect your wishes you might be interested in having someone else watch them?

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23-12-2012, 08:37 PM
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Read the back of the video game package. It says "comic mischief." The pigs disappear from the screen. There are no screams or blood. I would know, because every other video game I own is chock full of violence. Angry Birds is pretty much as violent as PacMan or Q*Bert.

This shit is unbelievable. Of all things in the world, why can't she just leave the angry birds alone? Why does everything have to be about woo for these people?

But I agree with the others: I think she should be told this is not a cool thing to do.

Even if everyone in question was a Christian, I'd still think her priorities were fucked if this is what causes her to bring up the topic.
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24-12-2012, 12:43 AM
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(16-08-2011 11:07 AM)Peterkin Wrote:  Short of a complete severence of relations, there is probably no way to stop your in-laws preaching at their grandkids. I'm pretty sure they see it as their duty. Fighting over it will just cause tension and resentment, which can only harm the children caught in the middle.

I don't think that's true at all. If I told you that eating with your mouth open disgusted me, would you just shrug and say, "I have to do it"? Perhaps you would if you didn't care at all about my feelings, but we're talking about people that care about each other.

I recently went through this same thing. My daughter asked me about heaven, and I told her that there was no heaven and that her grandparents were lying to her. I didn't want to broach the subject until she was old enough to weigh it, but my hand was forced by my parents who couldn't be decent enough to show the same respect. I told them in no uncertain terms that if they couldn't keep their religion to themselves, they wouldn't get the opportunity to preach to my daughter because they wouldn't have an opportunity to see my daughter.

Did it cause resentment? Possibly. But I asked them how they'd feel if I preached a message of atheism to their grandson -- my little brother's son -- who will probably grow up Christian because of his Christian parents. They got the message. They don't want to see my daughter go to Hell, but they understand how someone could overstep their boundaries.

My girlfriend is mad at me. Perhaps I shouldn't have tried cooking a stick in her non-stick pan.
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