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25-01-2016, 12:59 PM
"Christian Atheists"
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25-01-2016, 01:04 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
(25-01-2016 12:59 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Double U, Tee, Eff?

GirlyMan likes that term; I don't.

I think it is self-contradictory and downright silly.

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25-01-2016, 01:13 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
Is a Christian Atheist someone who likes what Jesus had to say about all the love and brotherhood stuff but understands nevertheless that he was a fictitious character?

If some atheists want to apply a label to themselves to indicate which religion they rejected to reach atheism power to them if they think there's any value in that.
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25-01-2016, 01:16 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
I've not heard the term before. Any context?

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25-01-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
Great idea. Money from all sides. Thumbsup

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25-01-2016, 01:23 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
Here's a link:
wikipedia article

Quote:Christian atheism is a theological position in which the belief in the transcendent or interventionist God is rejected or absent in favor of finding God totally in the world (Thomas J. J. Altizer) or following Jesus in a Godless world (William Hamilton). Hamilton's Christian atheism is similar to Jesuism.

Thomas Ogletree, Frederick Marquand Professor of Ethics and Religious Studies at Yale Divinity School, lists these four common beliefs:

1.The assertion of the unreality of God for our age, including the understandings of God which have been a part of traditional Christian theology

2.The insistence upon coming to grips with contemporary culture as a necessary feature of responsible theological work

3.Varying degrees and forms of alienation from the church as it is now constituted

4.Recognition of the centrality of the person of Jesus in theological reflection

There's more in the article, but I don't want to do the copy-paste-text-wall.

It looks like it's the idea of following christ's teachings without believing in his divinity.

However said teachings are contradictory, unreliably documented and the authority for the teachings is entirely divine.

Am I correct?

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25-01-2016, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 25-01-2016 01:35 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: "Christian Atheists"
I don't find it silly as Chas. It basically completely rejects the divinity of Jesus but says The Golden Rule is a worthwhile theological reflection. Most posit that God never existed but some posit God is dead. I don't see them as any sillier than Buddhist atheists, or Jewish atheists.

They sound like nonsecular humanists to me. "Every man today who is open to experience knows that God is absent, but only the Christian knows that God is dead, that the death of God is a final and irrevocable event, and that God's death has actualized in our history a new and liberated humanity" - Altizer





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25-01-2016, 01:36 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
But, doesn't the definition of Christianity make it mutually exclusive from atheism (by definition)?

A Jewish atheist would be somebody who practices Jewish culture while not believing in a god. I don't quite see it the same because I've always understood that Jewish culture/heritage and Judaism are separate. Do people ever talk about atheistic Judaism? Really, I don't know the answer to that.

Buddhist atheism seems more like a technical term than a position. In that not all forms (or maybe most or all forms?) of Buddhism involve belief in a deity, so technically they are atheist. So one could say I am Buddhist and my beliefs don't involve a deity, so technically I am atheist as well.

But to say one is Christian, how can you tack on, "but also I am atheist"? That's like saying, "I am shorter than 4 feet, but also taller than 4 feet". The two definitions don't mesh. You could say you believe a figure named Jesus existed, and he had a few nice things to say that you believe are true, but you don't believe he was the son of god or that a god exists. But what is Christian about that?

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25-01-2016, 01:52 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
(25-01-2016 01:36 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  But, doesn't the definition of Christianity make it mutually exclusive from atheism (by definition)?

Why should it? It's basically just a code of ethics without admitting any divine inspiration of said ethics.

(25-01-2016 01:36 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  A Jewish atheist would be somebody who practices Jewish culture while not believing in a god. I don't quite see it the same because I've always understood that Jewish culture/heritage and Judaism are separate. Do people ever talk about atheistic Judaism? Really, I don't know the answer to that.

Aliza has spoken of it several times.

(25-01-2016 01:36 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  Buddhist atheism seems more like a technical term than a position. In that not all forms (or maybe most or all forms?) of Buddhism involve belief in a deity, so technically they are atheist. So one could say I am Buddhist and my beliefs don't involve a deity, so technically I am atheist as well.

How is that any different from a Christian atheist?

(25-01-2016 01:36 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  But to say one is Christian, how can you tack on, "but also I am atheist"? That's like saying, "I am shorter than 4 feet, but also taller than 4 feet". The two definitions don't mesh. You could say you believe a figure named Jesus existed, and he had a few nice things to say that you believe are true, but you don't believe he was the son of god or that a god exists. But what is Christian about that?

The fact that the code of ethics ascribed to Jesus is central to their way of living. I really don't see any inconsistencies here.

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25-01-2016, 01:53 PM
RE: "Christian Atheists"
(25-01-2016 01:36 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  A Jewish atheist would be somebody who practices Jewish culture while not believing in a god.

Actually, I believe the term is cultural Jew.

I've known a few who go out of their way to keep kosher and keep the traditions alive without the claptrap of belief.


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