Christian Creationists change to a deistic view when arguing.
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16-11-2013, 10:42 AM
RE: Christian Creationists change to a deistic view when arguing.
(15-11-2013 10:54 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(15-11-2013 10:50 AM)ridethespiral Wrote:  It's a classic King's...

1) Theist claims Jesus is lord and savior, God is creator, Genesis and all that.

2) Atheist says 'nah man the word is 4 billion years old the universe is 13.5, we know about the big bang, etc.

3) Theist argues about 'what came before the big bang?!' (ignoring that postulating God has the same problem) and basically makes the case that we can't know that there isn't a Deist god existing outside of the known universe.

4) Atheist concedes that like Russle's pot 'o tea it is impossible to prove the non-existence of a deist god.

----- and now here comes the leap -------

5) Theist claims that since you cannot disprove a deist god, therefore Jesus, Moses, Arks, Holy Trininity, w/e.

Ahh, ok. Yeah, that's intellectual dishonesty.

I would leave that discussion as soon as I saw it going that route.

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16-11-2013, 03:10 PM (This post was last modified: 16-11-2013 04:48 PM by Elesjei.)
RE: Christian Creationists change to a deistic view when arguing.
(14-11-2013 02:56 PM)cjlr Wrote:  Step 1: establish deism.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: conclude Christianity.

This what I don't get about non-religious people turning to Christianity (or any religion, for that matter). They're making a huge leap. Even if reasoning did support the notion of a creator deity, how would we conclude that it must be the Christian god? It could be any god with such powers from any religion past or present, or a god that no one has ever "known" about. It is irrational to go from "there must be a creator" to "Jesus died for our sins". Assuming there was evidence for the existence of a god, logically no one should go beyond deism.

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