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09-11-2012, 07:00 PM
RE: Christian Doctors
(09-11-2012 12:56 PM)Denicio Wrote:  Sounds to me like a doctor looking for an excuse should his skills not deliver the desired result. "Oh well, sorry for your loss..ya know..god's will and all". If they get to claim gods will...does that also mean they send HIM the bill too?
Yeah:
Scenario 1: Patient recovers, doctor takes credit.
Scenario 2: Patient doesn't recover/dies, it's God's will.

It does always surprise me, though, when a doctor/medical staff person goes on the God rant without first asking if the person is religious/what religion they are, though.
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09-11-2012, 07:48 PM (This post was last modified: 09-11-2012 07:52 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Christian Doctors
This thread reminds me why the entirety of my medical support team from my primary care physician to my specialists are all either Hindus, Buddhists, or Jews. This shit just never comes up with any of them. Tongue

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09-11-2012, 08:08 PM
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(08-11-2012 08:24 PM)Xinoftruden Wrote:  Kc, say y'all once more and your name will become sandy.
English needs a 'you plural' word. I'm from the northeast US and I say y'all. It's either that or start speaking French at everyone. Big Grin

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09-11-2012, 09:00 PM
RE: Christian Doctors
(09-11-2012 08:08 PM)calmblueocean Wrote:  
(08-11-2012 08:24 PM)Xinoftruden Wrote:  Kc, say y'all once more and your name will become sandy.
English needs a 'you plural' word. I'm from the northeast US and I say y'all. It's either that or start speaking French at everyone. Big Grin
There's also "folks" which is also gender neutral, but not nearly as flexible in its utility.

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11-11-2012, 08:42 AM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2012 08:50 AM by Ghost.)
RE: Christian Doctors
I find this somewhat petty.

There are thousands of cultures in the world. That is a good thing. As such, the likelihood is that we won't agree with most of them. That's just a reality of the human condition. But as Mike Muir of Suicidal Tendencies once preached:
"Just cause you don't understand what's going on don't mean it don't make no sense
And just cause you don't like it, don't mean it ain't no good."

Religious people exist. That's a fact. And they have the right to express their beliefs. If a doctor speaks about God, it's not some form of abuse and it's certainly not some sort of disgrace to the profession. It may at times be culturally insensitive, but cultural sensitivity is it's own issue with far broader implications in our global economy. But at the end of the day, they exist and they have rights. If you don't like the fact that they exist, that's really your tough.

If you're so wound up with Anti-Theistic hate that the mere mention of God in any setting makes you want to explode, that's your issue and honestly, it aint healthy.

At the end of the day, the doctor needs to be competent. If the doctor said, "fuck dialysis, we're just gonna have him take up snakes," well, you might wanna bundle the person up and run screaming to another hospital. But if a doctor has differing views from you about the nature of the universe and is trying to comfort a family about to lose a loved one, well, it's not about you. It's not some great conspiracy to fuck up your day, you just don't like it. You have every right to not like it, but don't whine like it's all some great affront to your sensibilities. That's just narcissism.

So yeah, if a doctor decides to speak to you about God and you don't like it/find it appropriate/get offended, then tell the doctor who you are. If shklee has experience with cultural sensitivity (more likely in Montreal than in Lethbridge) they can adjust. If they can't adjust then they need cultural sensitivity training/experience, they aren't required to deny who they are. No human is. Not Theists. Not Atheists. No one.

I mean come on, if you were an Atheist doctor and a 90 year old devout Catholic was dying and asked you to discuss God and your reaction was, "Fuck all that bullshit, you deluded fool," you'd be a complete asshole. The reverse, of course, is true. And if you were an Atheist doctor comforting an Atheist family and the one Theist in the room blurted out, "Are you fucking kidding me? How dare you!" how impressed would you be? But saying, "This is what I think," is not a crime and never will be, so enough with the Thinkpol stuff.

Note, this post is not in defense of religion, it's in defense of cultural diversity and in defense of the reality of multiculturalism.

ON EDIT: In Montreal (and Laval) we have a world-class ambulance service called Urgences-Santé (it was actually declared the single best ambulance service in the world one year). We had a case recently where a French nationalist Urgences-Santé technician refused abjectly to give medical attention to a person in English. The fact that one speaks French and the other speaks English is just a reality of my province and you wanna talk about not getting along? The French and the English got that one locked up. But to refuse to speak English to a person in need of medical attention? THAT is a fucking disgrace. So yeah, a doctor talking about God; reality. A doctor refusing abjectly to talk about anything else than God in the face of a culturally diverse situation; disgrace.

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11-11-2012, 09:04 AM
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(11-11-2012 08:42 AM)Ghost Wrote:  There are thousands of cultures in the world. That is a good thing.

Nah, it's just a thing, neither good nor bad. It just is.

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11-11-2012, 10:00 AM
RE: Christian Doctors
Hey, Chas.

So is breathing, but it's better when I'm doing it Cool

Diversity means a healthy biosphere and it means a healthy ethnosphere. Homogeneity means they're sickly and fragile.

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11-11-2012, 11:48 AM
RE: Christian Doctors
(11-11-2012 10:00 AM)Ghost Wrote:  Hey, Chas.

So is breathing, but it's better when I'm doing it Cool

Diversity means a healthy biosphere and it means a healthy ethnosphere. Homogeneity means they're sickly and fragile.

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I don't agree with your opinion that diversity makes a healthy ethnosphere. There is no evidence of that, and the evidence against it is all around us in the clash of cultures.

Unless you mean something entirely different by ethnosphere.

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11-11-2012, 12:25 PM
RE: Christian Doctors
Nobody's suggesting the religious can't talk about their religion (and certainly no one is saying cultural diversity is terrible and should be eliminated), only that their religion doesn't necessarily apply to every patient, and that, in some contexts, it may be unprofessional of them to talk about it at length.

So no, I don't think it's that atheists are wound up with any sort of hatred. They just want doctors to do medical stuff without talking about superstition. That's why hospitals have clergy available, to talk about religion and whether or not stuff is God's will or whatever.

Also, merely mentioning God or using a figure of speech invoking God is much different than going on at length about religion or preaching to the patient or their family. That's where it gets uncomfortable, I'd say.

For example, when a doctor told me I was wrong to "have sex out of wedlock" because God didn't intend that, I found that offensive because I'm not a Christian and I didn't think it was his place, as a medical doctor, to judge the morality of my sexual behaviour (and I wasn't even there for anything related, I was there for asthma or something).
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11-11-2012, 12:40 PM
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(11-11-2012 12:25 PM)amyb Wrote:  For example, when a doctor told me I was wrong to "have sex out of wedlock" because God didn't intend that... (and I wasn't even there for anything related, I was there for asthma or something).

Really?! Wow, that's downright wrong. And disgusting. Can one get more unprofessional? And where did he come from, the 1400's? No

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