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17-12-2016, 11:01 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know how you know what a perfect being can feel or not feel but God loves you and He is not pissed at you in the least.[quote]

...and thats why he sends us to hell when we choose it.

No, wait.....if i choose to be sent to hell, there is a "sender", isnt it? What if the sender just choses to have free will too and choses just not to send me to hell, lets say because he has sympathy with me? Aww, shit, its not possible, its god, who made up this evil scheme. He has no sympathy, he is gonna psychopathically throw us all into hell, every single one, no exceptions.

This is why i am calling you liars. You are lying to us, but foremost lying to yourself when you state, that anybody ever chose to be sent to hell. No sane human being ever.in.thefucking.history.of.mankind.not.a.single.one will say "please, i choose to be sent to hell forever". You are lying to yourself if you do believe this.

The persona responsible for people being in hell are
1) The one who created hell
2) The one who keeps it operating for eternity
3) The one who made up sick and immoral rules like sending people to hell for the mundane reason of just not worshipping his narcississt trinity ass(es)
4) The one who actually "sends" people there, no matter if he is the judge or "only" sender/executioner. Even an executionar has the free will to not execute people.
5) The one who knew all of this in advance and didnt stop it at any point between 1-4

Let me just rephrase how, sick, disgusting, inhumane, perverted and utterly despicable your thinking is, how muck lack of respect for humans you are showing, how uncaring you must be for your fellow humans, how mericless of a being you have become to say that nonbenlievers "choose" to be sent to hell.
I will keep holding your feet to the fire by remembering that you have been explained the example of the guy with the gun pointing at someone elses head.
By defending your god, you are defending someone who holds a loaded gun at seomones head. By doing so, you are being guilty of not much lesser a crime than god holding the gund at our head. The difference between god and you being that he cant be made responsible, because he doesnt exist. You however do exist, and can and are actually being made responsible for your actions, namely supporting eternal torture, a crime noone possibly ever has deserved, not for anything, and particularly not for thought crime.
You have allowed this poisinous religion to transform you into the most despicable form of human existence one can imagine: Someone who values an illusion (= nothing) more than his fellow humans. You.are.sickening.

I am not commenting on the mindbending dishonesty in the rest of your post. Bullshit like "That is what the Bible says" isnt even worth commenting, after just a day ago you waved away the whole OT when it didnt suit you and tried to agrue away gods commands for how you can enslave fellow hebrews, as it was written in your fucking bible.

Your dishonesty is indeed mindblowing!

Yet, all you need to to is to think and question, be honest with yourself only once, and decide to leave behind this unspeakable horror you call "christian doctrine" or "christian belief". Throw away your chains. The taste of freedom is sweet. Try it out...or stay what you are, unspeakably despicable.

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17-12-2016, 11:05 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know how you know what a perfect being can feel or not feel but God loves you and He is not pissed at you in the least.[quote]

How would YOU know that? Drinking Beverage

So drowning the world was good? Hmm, could you please elaborate on that? What was specifically good about planetary genocide?

I will also note that perhaps this fairy tale deity you assert exists, might be omniscient, so that means ALL options are available to it.

You need to make a plausible case for why drowning everyone except those that got on a boat, was the BEST option.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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17-12-2016, 11:56 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 07:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Nothing in this world is free it takes blood and sweat. When the world rebelled god made a covenant with abraham. Jesus wasn't suppose to die but since he did the gentiles were given grace becuase the jews fully rebelled by killing jesus. Blood was for the jews not christians but god wanted to kill himself for the hurt he recieved when the world rejected him and all his treasures. Like the whore you can't be with me you have to go somewhere else not here he's not putting a gun to your head hell wasn't made for men but that's where you go becuase you can't be with god.
But why burn someone for eternity even hitler doesn't deserve eternity in hell why not just annihilate us or torture us for an hour or two and then annihilate us ? Absolutely no christian has been ever able to explain why finite crimes deserve infinite punishment other than make excuses about us choosing hell or some other dishonest apologetic. Nothing in this world is free huh ? Note the words this world not heaven or hell this world, that's the world that preoccupies christians not heaven or any other afterlife.
I would have no problem with christians if they left others alone but nooo, they have to spread they have to try and impose their beliefs on others to dominate to control christians are morally bankrupt.
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17-12-2016, 12:04 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 11:56 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 07:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Nothing in this world is free it takes blood and sweat. When the world rebelled god made a covenant with abraham. Jesus wasn't suppose to die but since he did the gentiles were given grace becuase the jews fully rebelled by killing jesus. Blood was for the jews not christians but god wanted to kill himself for the hurt he recieved when the world rejected him and all his treasures. Like the whore you can't be with me you have to go somewhere else not here he's not putting a gun to your head hell wasn't made for men but that's where you go becuase you can't be with god.
But why burn someone for eternity even hitler doesn't deserve eternity in hell why not just annihilate us or torture us for an hour or two and then annihilate us ? Absolutely no christian has been ever able to explain why finite crimes deserve infinite punishment other than make excuses about us choosing hell or some other dishonest apologetic. Nothing in this world is free huh ? Note the words this world not heaven or hell this world, that's the world that preoccupies christians not heaven or any other afterlife.
I would have no problem with christians if they left others alone but nooo, they have to spread they have to try and impose their beliefs on others to dominate to control christians are morally bankrupt.

Their god throws us in hell for eternity, because we dont worship him and we get even told by them its all our fault.

We arent throwing them in a fiery pit but are writing posts on a forum what terrible people they are for believing above.

Thats the difference between their god and us. Angel

But still they think they have the moral high ground.

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17-12-2016, 12:08 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:05 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 12:36 AM)Aliza Wrote:  I would like to challenge you to break the mold and have polite, honest and intellectual conversations with people and show that you understand why they may choose not to believe in your religion and that you respect those decisions and regard them as an equal –in every sense of the term- both physically and spiritually.

I suggest that you review my posts. They were free from personal attacks other than a few good-natured jibes to keep it interesting. Judge for yourself by actually looking. Its easy just search Bzltyr and you can read them all.

I actually did review a sampling of your earlier posts. I didn't find them to be unreasonable, but people don't earn negative rep like what you've got for simply holding different views.

Bear in mind that you're not the first christian to come through these parts, and the people here have already been inundated with proselytizers. They may see the same patterns in you and not feel very inclined to extend you the benefit of the doubt that you're some how different than all the rest who have come before you. You're on their turf so if you want to have an intelligent conversation with them, then you must adhere to their terms until you have earned their trust and respect.
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17-12-2016, 12:16 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:01 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 09:36 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Firstly, a few home truths for you to swallow mate—before anybody will take any notice of your opinions, or consider any of your nonsensical arguments as having any veracity...

I am using this as a test to perfect posting.
I answered SYZ with the same amount of scholarship that he used in his post - maybe a bit more scholarship.

You may well find that when you reach puberty, your so-called scholarship may even improve a lot more—possibly to the extent of pushing your apparent IQ beyond double digits. But don't hold your breath LOL.

I'm a creationist... I believe that man created God.
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17-12-2016, 12:25 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Ya but Aliza don't forget you're going to hell with us for the finite crime of choosing or being born in to the wrong religion or none at all regardless of geography and he's not interested in earning trust etc don't forget he has moral authority through scripture that's all he needs because his book is the bible he's a literalist apologist no better than. Simon Tennbruggentate he's a presuppositional apologist and totally vacuous and at this time of year we should be ignoring him and concen ourselves with loving our family and friends and extending compassion to our fellow humans replete in the knowledge we are forever superior to him because to be honest Christianity is the Christmas krampas.
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17-12-2016, 12:25 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 07:49 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Nothing in this world is free it takes blood and sweat. When the world rebelled god made a covenant with abraham. Jesus wasn't suppose to die but since he did the gentiles were given grace becuase the jews fully rebelled by killing jesus. Blood was for the jews not christians but god wanted to kill himself for the hurt he recieved when the world rejected him and all his treasures. Like the whore you can't be with me you have to go somewhere else not here he's not putting a gun to your head hell wasn't made for men but that's where you go becuase you can't be with god.

I love the way Christians dictate what the Jews believed without ever having asked the Jews. What arrogance.

... I wonder how the Christians would like it if other people dictated to Christians what they believe instead of allowing them to speak for themselves.
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17-12-2016, 12:31 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Christianity = do as I say think as I do accept what I do or I will fucking hurt you
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17-12-2016, 12:39 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:26 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 10:18 AM)pablo Wrote:  There was the implication from you that you didn't know why your posts were gone and that you deleted them.

I never said I did not know why they were "gone" just that they were messed up. I just posted "Deleted post" instead so people would not waste their time trying to read them.

(16-12-2016 08:33 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know what happened with my last two posts.
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