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17-12-2016, 01:45 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
I'm open to talk about your delusional thoughts.
Have a seat on the couch.

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17-12-2016, 01:53 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 09:10 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 11:20 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Jesus died then went to heaven. I don't think you would go through all that pain and suffering for eternal life. The world rebelled rocket surgeon. Jesus was doing it to make a better place even though where waiting for it. When jedus died hell happened and I can't believe you spoiled rockrt surgeon saying the world is a good place to live in while millions go hungrey and why they cling to a god who gives hope for a better life.

No, little slave, the "world" did not rebel.

A Bronze Age, Patriarchal, tribal-warrior goatherder people's priest class evolved a henotheist religion, which became a monotheist religion after they were conquered by the Babylonians (perhaps a bit sooner), out of the polytheistic traditions from which their people sprang. The world went right on turning.

People only rebel against tyranny. They do not rebel against benign rulership that cares about them. What you are asserting, when you say "the world rebelled", is that everyone on the planet-- from Aborigines to Native Americans to Chinese to Celts, and so on-- received a set of instructions that they defied, angering the God of the Hebrews.

Strangely, though, the Aborigines appear to have lived in Australia fairly comfortably for 50,000 years before Europeans showed up with guns and stories about Jehovah/Jesus (which they appear to have never heard of before, just as strangely), and pretty much ruined their world.

You can't just throw out trite nonsense and expect us to swallow it... or even to take you seriously as an adult.

Again, if God is all-powerful and capable of sending us to hell for displeasing him, then God is no different than a rapist pointing a gun at me, telling me I have offended him with my nature and my decision to reject him, and that if I don't obey him he will have no choice but to shoot me.

Except in this case, all we have is a BOOK telling us there's a rapist with a gun waiting for us, and that if we don't obey The Rules™, then the rapist will shoot us. Rules that look suspiciously like they were written by someone other than The Invisible Rapist. This is how we see your statement that we or "the world" have "rebelled" against The Rules™.

I suppose, if such a God did exist, then any moral person would be obligated to rebel... or become a slave.

It is clear which you chose.

I wish I could give you 300 likes for this. The "world rebelled" and "everyone is born a sinner" is one of the most malicious and malignant shit ever concocted by a religion. This is a sadistic god story who creates people knowing in advance every choice every human will make including the millions who will reject him by their own free will and roast in hell, yet this god blithely goes ahead and creates them anyway. What an asshole.

Fortunately there's not even the slightest bit of evidence for any of this crap except in the convoluted heads of people who have been brainwashed to believe the shit.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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17-12-2016, 01:56 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 01:45 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 01:40 PM)morondog Wrote:  Blitzy, any answer to my questions? These ones:

[quote='morondog' pid='1105410' dateline='1481958440']
Here are some questions for you OP. If you answer them we will be able to evaluate if you are a dick or not.

I thought you were engaging OP. I am not OP nor do I know who that is.

OP = original poster.

Answers?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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17-12-2016, 01:58 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:01 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 09:36 AM)SYZ Wrote:  Firstly, a few home truths for you to swallow mate—before anybody will take any notice of your opinions, or consider any of your nonsensical arguments as having any veracity:

• Your god (or any other imaginary gods) do not exist—other than in your own mind and/or fantasies,

Does too.

Quote:• You are not going to a place you call "heaven" when you die. Like mythical gods, its existence is simply another millennia-old myth,

Am so.

Quote:• Unlike you, I haver never knowingly or deliberately sinned. I was born innocent of any crimes (as in actuality were you),

Have too.

Quote:• The purported place you call "hell" does not exist. Its concept was invented to coerce uneducated peasants to fear the power of the church thousands of years ago,

It does so.

Quote:• The man you call "Jesus" was not crucified by the Romans in the manner so described, and he did not arise from the dead; that's just wishful thinking augmenting yet another ancient myth,

He was so killed.

Quote:• Your claim that "Most, if not all atheists, do not understand the Gospel" is unsupported by any viable evidence. It's nothing more than a virtual straw-man you've created in order to give more credence to your own scriptural claims,

They don't, they don't, they don't.

Quote:• You may well think you're here "telling the truth", but it's nothing more than your internalised, delusional interpretation of what is true and what is not. Alone, you cannot tell the truth from lies. You need a massive body of empirical evidence to be certain, and a 2,500-year-old book written by a disparate group of uneducated camel-jockeys is totally irrelevant in a scientifically-enlightened 21st century,

I didn't lie, so there.

Quote:• Your assertion that free will equates to "the choice to do right or to do wrong" is a non sequitur; it's like saying if I flip a coin, it'll fall at either heads or tails,

It is a choice.

Quote:• As soon as a Christian apologist mentions Hitler (or the Nazis, or Stalin or Pol Pot) then they automatically lose the debate as far as I'm concerned. Those people have absolutely NOTHING to do with any debate about religion and Christianity, or gods or atheism, or morals, ethics, and justice.

Wow, this one is true.

I am using this as a test to perfect posting.
I answered SYZ with the same amount of scholarship that he used in his post - maybe a bit more scholarship.

Provide incontrovertible evidence for even ONE of your assertions.

BIG HUGE HINT:

The bible is not evidence that a god exists. It is the claim that a god exists.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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17-12-2016, 01:59 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 01:56 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 01:45 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I thought you were engaging OP. I am not OP nor do I know who that is.

OP = original poster.

Answers?

Sure. I will find it and post some answers.
Thanks for the heads up on OP.
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17-12-2016, 02:01 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 01:59 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 01:56 PM)morondog Wrote:  OP = original poster.

Answers?

Sure. I will find it and post some answers.
Thanks for the heads up on OP.

The little green arrows when people quote are links and will take you back to the post they quoted Wink

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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17-12-2016, 02:03 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 01:58 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 10:01 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Does too.


Am so.


Have too.


It does so.


He was so killed.


They don't, they don't, they don't.


I didn't lie, so there.


It is a choice.


Wow, this one is true.

I am using this as a test to perfect posting.
I answered SYZ with the same amount of scholarship that he used in his post - maybe a bit more scholarship.

Provide incontrovertible evidence for even ONE of your assertions.

BIG HUGE HINT:

The bible is not evidence that a god exists. It is the claim that a god exists.

SYZ posted: • Your god (or any other imaginary gods) do not exist—other than in your own mind and/or fantasies,

Did you ask SYZ for evidence?

I responded to SYZ's post the way that I did to highlight that assertions that fit with this forum's beliefs require no evidence. SYZ's statements were largely not provable.
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17-12-2016, 02:03 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 02:01 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 01:59 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Sure. I will find it and post some answers.
Thanks for the heads up on OP.

The little green arrows when people quote are links and will take you back to the post they quoted Wink

Thanks, I have never seen that before either.
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17-12-2016, 02:15 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 02:03 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 01:58 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Provide incontrovertible evidence for even ONE of your assertions.

BIG HUGE HINT:

The bible is not evidence that a god exists. It is the claim that a god exists.

SYZ posted: • Your god (or any other imaginary gods) do not exist—other than in your own mind and/or fantasies,

Did you ask SYZ for evidence?

I responded to SYZ's post the way that I did to highlight that assertions that fit with this forum's beliefs require no evidence. SYZ's statements were largely not provable.

(17-12-2016 02:03 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  this forum's beliefs require no evidence.

Atheists don't believe a god doesn't exist, we lack belief in a god, however, you make the positive assertion that a god exists. The onus is on you to provide the evidence. The burden of proof is always, always on those who make the positive claim , so start providing the incontrovertible evidence, bub.

We'll be waiting.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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17-12-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  No. That is what the Bible says.

You do understand that there are different versions of the bible?
Which version are you using?

All of these churches use their own version: Roman Catholic Church, Greek Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Georgian Orthodox, Syrian Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Anglican Church

What about the apocryphal books?

One would think that a divine being would have thought of stuff like that.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  All those quote just say you are sent to Hell - it is still your choice.

The descriptions I posted are NOT what you posted:

(16-12-2016 03:08 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Not with God is called Hell.

Torture and torment is a far cry from "not with god".

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:Is this the same god that drowned all the babies in the Flood?
Same guy.

So god murdered innocent babies. Interesting. Sounds rather ... Eeeeeevil if you ask me.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:The same god that allowed, permitted and gave the rules for slavery?
Yeah.

You would think that a god who said "thou shalt not kill" would be cognizant enough to say "thou shalt not own slaves." I mean, I figured that out.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:This is not off-topic. You claimed that god was good. Is slavery good?
No.

If slavery is not good, and god likes slavery...

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:Your god supposedly drowned the whole world for the sins of people in the middle east. Plants, animals, people on other continents. Was that good?
Yeah.

"Yeah"?!?! Drowning innocent creatures is good? Innocent babies? Drowning babies is good? How can you say that and still look in the mirror?

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  You are not capable of paying the bill. You rejecting it is why you will be sent to Hell

And no one else can pay that bill either.

When I die I will not be sent to hell. Neither will you or anyone else.

Your consciousness is a byproduct of the chemical reactions that make up your brain. You are the software, essentially, in the hardware of your brain. When you die, when your body dies, you end. There is no soul. Everything that makes up your personality, your likes, dislikes, memories, all of it can be changed with chemicals, physical damage, age deterioration, disease, etc. All of that can completely change who you are.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:It's called being an adult. Acknowledging the consequences of your actions. Reaping the rewards and accepting the penalties.
The penalty is pretty harsh.

So says every version of christianity. Only their version gets into heaven. Yawn. Besides if heaven means an eternity with someone who drowns babies for fun, I'll pass.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  That would make the Roman Catholic Church wrong.

And they say you're wrong. And the muslims say you're all wrong.

Get the picture? No proof.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  They are wrong as well.

Of course they are... Prove it.

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
Quote:Lot of variations for a divine message, eh?
Yeah, people sure have screwed up the message through the years..

Maybe a divine being would have thought about that.

If you knew that a person's salvation depended on a message, wouldn't you make sure that they got the message, correctly, in time?

Wouldn't god KNOW that people would corrupt his message?
Wouldn't god KNOW that his mistake would damn people to hell?

You would almost think he wanted to in the first place...

(17-12-2016 10:24 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know how you know what a perfect being can feel or not feel but God loves you and He is not pissed at you in the least.

I go by the definition of perfect and the way god is described by the religious.

Do you have any idea how arrogant it is to say that you know the mind of god?

You claim that the most powerful being, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, the creator of the entire universe (400+ billion stars...) exists.

Not only does he exist, but he talks to YOU. Not only does he talk to you but you know what he thinks and feels and why.

And you expect us to believe you because you said so.

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