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17-12-2016, 08:36 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 04:33 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 04:29 PM)morondog Wrote:  So this omnipotent God who loves us and sends horrible diseases like the black death and the Spanish flu to us... they're just tokens of affection?

Sin causes the disease etc. When sin entered the world.

That's an extremely ignorant statement, that is not supported by the evidence.

Let me point this out to you clearly- human choice is not linked to disease, suffering or death, these things have been around long before humans ever walked the Earth.

Such assertions expose the Genesis myth, as well as the Jesus myth that depends on the original sin myth, for the fairy tale that it is.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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17-12-2016, 10:18 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Spent the day packing and posting Final Grades and just slogged through all 25 pages of this. Realized I was surprised by absolutely nothing in it. Tongue

(16-12-2016 04:14 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 03:54 PM)Aliza Wrote:  What brought you to TTA? Are you here to win souls?

I always wonder why they won't leave us alone too. Yes

Because you all are just so fun and intellectually more stimulating (and less infuriating most of the time) than my brethren? Seriously, I slogged through a good 4 pages over on Phatmass of a Traditionalist Catholic arguing about how it's immoral to implant fertilized embryos, but also immoral to have fertilized them in the first place. And then tripping over himself and getting self righteous at someone asking him about their right to life that his line of reasoning doesn't give them, but he claims to support.

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18-12-2016, 02:18 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 02:55 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I am going to post what somone posted and questions he wanted me to address.

Okay.

(16-12-2016 02:56 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Deleted post

Not a great start. Sad

(16-12-2016 03:08 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The Doctrine of Hell
People go to Hell because they do not want to be with God and Jesus and me in Heaven. Their choice. At the world's end a person can spend eternity with God or not with God. Not with God is called Hell. If you don't want to spend time with God now on Earth your probably don't want to spend eternity with Him. God is good - all the good. No God there is no good. Hell has no God so no good.

Christian doctrine does not say that Jesus will save only those who avoid sins. The exact opposite is true. The price and punishment for all sin was paid on the cross of Jesus Christ. Even the Bald Guy's.

The sin that sends one to Hell is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the Good News of Jesus Christ takin care of sin for you.

Babies - No
Haven't heard - No, more to it than just that.
Ghandi - Loved the message of Christ hated the Christians.
Omni-God - That one goes deep and I will have a lot of trouble explaining why God does what He does unless it is in the Bible.
What sin? - Rejecting Jesus' redeeming you.
The pain He feels is sadness for you for rejecting Christ.

When I saw the word "hell", I thought perhaps Tartarus Sauce should answer. Consider

(16-12-2016 03:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The Doctrine of Original Sin

I know this is a hard one to accept. I usually ask the person have you been perfect? No. Then you have sinned and fallen short so if there were no original sin you blew it anyway.

It seems that God created man for relationship reasons. God, in the trinity has a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit and spread that around to man. It is difficult to have a real relationship with a robot who cannot reject you and has no free-will to love you or hate you. He made man with the choice to enter into that relationship with him or not. Make sense, you asked - yep, make sense to me.

I'm an atheist mate.

(16-12-2016 03:19 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Vicarious Redemption

Really bad people going to Heaven. Who sets the bar? If you had a graph of all sin that went from one to a million your sin and my sin and Hitler's sin would all be a million and perfection would be zero. If you understand percentages you will realize that you and I are as bad as Hitler relative to perfection. Simplistic, I know, but I hope you get the idea.

Jesus died for the sins of the dictator. It is nice to know you believe in objective morality.



One person CAN NOT ATONE for the sins of another.

Says you. If God exists He gets to make the rules. Jesus atoned for your sins and God is not mad at you in the least.

Er yeah, again.

(16-12-2016 03:20 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Deleted post.

Not a great ending, dude.

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18-12-2016, 02:25 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Blitzy and his mate Socialistview are off brewing stronger medicine. The juju over here is too strong!

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If you're perfect -- Alanis Morissette
(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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18-12-2016, 02:43 AM
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Thanks to Banjo i could complete a collection of three little gems. How should we call it? Circular contradictions?

(16-12-2016 07:55 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  No thought police in Christianity. You will not be punished for what you think or even what you do - by God.
(15-12-2016 08:30 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Christian morality states that if you even think you should do good and do not then you have sinned.
(16-12-2016 03:08 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The sin that sends one to Hell is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the Good News of Jesus Christ takin care of sin for you.

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18-12-2016, 01:41 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(18-12-2016 02:43 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Thanks to Banjo i could complete a collection of three little gems. How should we call it? Circular contradictions?

(16-12-2016 07:55 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  No thought police in Christianity. You will not be punished for what you think or even what you do - by God.
(15-12-2016 08:30 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Christian morality states that if you even think you should do good and do not then you have sinned.
(16-12-2016 03:08 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The sin that sends one to Hell is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In other words rejecting the Good News of Jesus Christ takin care of sin for you.

On thought police - not going to get "arrested" - punished for what you think.
On Christian morality - I stated the standard.
On the blasphemy - The one sin that was not covered by Jesus' blood. - Basically rejecting the forgiveness of sin.
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18-12-2016, 01:45 PM
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(17-12-2016 07:25 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Bzltyr was so engaged with us and then BLAM. He's gone. Was it something we said?

I was given a great gift called a life. I am not going to spend it ALL with you guys.
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18-12-2016, 01:52 PM
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(17-12-2016 06:56 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 04:17 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Did not go through his other books. The one I read was not scholarly so why bother. The Jesus Seminar was a joke.

So you are more knowledgeable than eminent bible scholars.

This is not just Erhman. He is simply the most prominent. This is the consensus.

The scholars translated the bible correctly and know exactly what they are talking about, until they disagree with your interpretation. Or until they bring up something that you can't handle.

This is not the consensus among a different group of Bible scholars.
You can pick and choose from a great number of Bible scholars and get a great number of different conclusions. This is not due to the Bible it is due to the scholar and that scholars preconceived notions.

As I stated before I spent a lot of time on Erhman's book. I did not find his conclusions compelling and I was able to find numerous Bible scholars who disagreed.

It is not that I personally know more that Bible scholars it is that there is no consensus so the debate can continue.

BTW the Bible has been preserved. The Bible can be recreated completely from discovered manuscripts.
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18-12-2016, 01:54 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 05:50 PM)Paleophyte Wrote:  
(17-12-2016 05:01 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  There is not oort cloud. Purely hypothetical.

For something hypothetical you are shockingly certain of its non-existance.

I bought up the comets and the oort cloud because the Big Bang Theory became a topic. The BBT is coming under scrutiny and the existence of comets and the oort cloud are part of it.

No big deal just something an inquiring mind may want to research.
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18-12-2016, 02:02 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 05:07 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Hell, I'm not a God and even I can figure out how (if I had magical powers, of course) to create a rock so big I can't lift it.

Just make it bigger than the entire universe, or the size of it. Once the "rock" consists of everything material, there is no "up" and therefore it's impossible to lift the rock or move it anywhere. There's nowhere to move it to. Big Grin

You are stuck in this universe. I don't get that. Hawkins thinks there exist a multiverse that we can't know about or have anyway of perceiving it but he knows its there.

I god made a rock as big as the universe He could move it to Heaven - outside the universe.

You are stuck with what you can perceive with your five senses. Why. Can't there be so much more? We humans are learning more and more about our natural world but a lot of people cannot accept supernatural just because it cannot be perceived. Why? That gives the human senses a lot of credit. More credit than I will place on my ability to perceive all that there is.

Stay stuck in the natural at your peril. - a little sarcasm.
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