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16-12-2016, 04:09 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:05 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Come on, Impulse. Your argument against free-will is that you can't fly?
That is the weakest I have ever heard. You were doing so well there for awhile.

You asked "Why is sin allowed to be possible." Asked and answered.
Another avoidance; figures. Rolleyes Talk about weak. Drinking Beverage

How about this? Why is free will better with sin than it would be with just the one single limitation of not being allowed to sin? Everything else that is freely choosable now would still be, just not sinning.

And don't think you're off the hook for not answering how Jesus' death accomplished anything regarding forgiving our sins either.

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16-12-2016, 04:11 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:06 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 03:54 PM)Aliza Wrote:  What brought you to TTA? Are you here to win souls?

My pet hypothesis is that he's here because his friend Socialistview was getting his ignorant ass handed to him, so he (SV) called in what he considers apologetic intellectual firepower as backup.

He's certainly more interesting as a "chew toy" than SV has proved to be. Bz seems to at least make the attempt to avoid ignorance, which is a refreshing change after the crop of apologists we've had in here over the past few weeks!

You'll be pleased to learn that he appears to think the Torah has pretty much nothing to do with Christian morality. Smile

I do not know SV. I stumble on the site awhile ago and looked around a bit an then last night joined in.

Chew toy? Awesome put down. I knew I could like you.
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16-12-2016, 04:13 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:08 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I have discussed with atheist for years. Most if not all do not understand and do not understand the Gospel. They make statements that are not correct Christian doctrine. I clear it up for them. My father-in-law was an atheist. When I first met him he rejected Christianity. I asked him why and he stated a number of things that were not Christian doctrine it was just what he thought it was. I told him the truth.

Because, you see, he only has to learn his church's "take" on the Gospel, whereas we must learn 4,000 versions/interpretations of it, and be prepared to guess which version this particular Christian will use so we can avoid being told we are totally wrong.

Christians generally prefer to minimize the degree to which they disagree over nearly every element of doctrine, between denominations and even within in-church factions, in order to present a unified concept to nonbelievers.

They forget that about half of us are ex-Christians, and we've seen it for ourselves. That's why you'll see them focusing on the atheists who were never Christian and are still trying to learn why there are so many versions of what they see as a crazy idea... several crazy ideas. It's easier than acknowledging those of us who are atheists because we actually do understand the Bible.

I've been through it with this type, before. You're going to enjoy watching the The Matrix-esque dodging it takes to try to keep implying that I just "don't get it" when I point to various elements of the Christian belief system and/or the various interpretations of the scriptures.

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16-12-2016, 04:14 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 03:54 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 03:26 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Why yes, Aliza, I am.

What brought you to TTA? Are you here to win souls?

I always wonder why they won't leave us alone too. Yes
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16-12-2016, 04:14 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Oh I didn't make up "chew toy". That's just a generic term we use for the idiots who come here not even knowing their own religion's history or theology and then presuming to try to lecture us on it.

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16-12-2016, 04:15 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:09 PM)Impulse Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 04:05 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Come on, Impulse. Your argument against free-will is that you can't fly?
That is the weakest I have ever heard. You were doing so well there for awhile.

You asked "Why is sin allowed to be possible." Asked and answered.
Another avoidance; figures. Rolleyes Talk about weak. Drinking Beverage

How about this? Why is free will better with sin than it would be with just the one single limitation of not being allowed to sin? Everything else that is freely choosable now would still be, just not sinning.

And don't think you're off the hook for not answering how Jesus' death accomplished anything regarding forgiving our sins either.

All right. God gave the Earth to man. Man gave Earth to Satan through sin. Jesus won it back by living a perfect life and dying as the redeemer.

What is free-will without the choice to do right or to do wrong.
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16-12-2016, 04:17 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:14 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Oh I didn't make up "chew toy". That's just a generic term we use for the idiots who come here not even knowing their own religion's history or theology and then presuming to try to lecture us on it.

And you think that is me? That hurt quite a bit. I am certain I know the theology. Some history.
I tell the truth. I guess you could call it a lecture.
I am telling you what you do not know. As a scientist you should thank me.
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16-12-2016, 04:19 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:15 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  All right. God gave the Earth to man. Man gave Earth to Satan through sin. Jesus won it back by living a perfect life and dying as the redeemer.
I'm aware of the highly illogical story. I asked how it makes sense.

(16-12-2016 04:15 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  What is free-will without the choice to do right or to do wrong.
Better and far more moral. Plus it removes all the bad things that supposedly results from sin.

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16-12-2016, 04:21 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:17 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 04:14 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Oh I didn't make up "chew toy". That's just a generic term we use for the idiots who come here not even knowing their own religion's history or theology and then presuming to try to lecture us on it.

And you think that is me? That hurt quite a bit. I am certain I know the theology. Some history.
I tell the truth. I guess you could call it a lecture.
I am telling you what you do not know. As a scientist you should thank me.

There is not one thing you have said yet that I have not heard before. Don't flatter yourself.

Please keep in mind that I grew up on a steady diet of the apologetics you're spewing when I was a Southern Baptist for pretty much the first half of my life.

I have yet to meet a Believer of any sort (Christian, Mormon, Muslim, Hindu...) who isn't, quote, "certain I know the theology". Some are simply better-trained in their particular sect's version of Official Doctrine™ than others.

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16-12-2016, 04:25 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 04:15 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 04:09 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Another avoidance; figures. Rolleyes Talk about weak. Drinking Beverage

How about this? Why is free will better with sin than it would be with just the one single limitation of not being allowed to sin? Everything else that is freely choosable now would still be, just not sinning.

And don't think you're off the hook for not answering how Jesus' death accomplished anything regarding forgiving our sins either.

All right. God gave the Earth to man. Man gave Earth to Satan through sin. Jesus won it back by living a perfect life and dying as the redeemer.

What is free-will without the choice to do right or to do wrong.

That doesn't explain anything, god could simply forgive any sin without one drop of blood spilled, you know, like us mere mortals do every day?

There's no reason to send anyone to hell, your atonement myth is screwed up.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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