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16-12-2016, 09:37 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 08:33 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know what happened with my last two posts.

Are you sure you didn't just write "deleted post" yourself to avoid being backed into a corner?
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16-12-2016, 10:20 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 09:37 PM)pablo Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:33 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I don't know what happened with my last two posts.

Are you sure you didn't just write "deleted post" yourself to avoid being backed into a corner?
We don't delete posts here.

I'm so tempted to delete that. It would demonstrate the omnipotence of the moderator.

But then, no one would see it (because it had been deleted) and then no one would see my glory and bow down and worship me.

Conclusion: Omnipotent interventionist gods (and goddesses) are fueled by vanity.

I wonder what fuels non-interventionist deities?

Maybe boredom? Duty?

Consider

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16-12-2016, 10:24 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 09:37 PM)pablo Wrote:  Are you sure you didn't just write "deleted post" yourself to avoid being backed into a corner?
We don't delete posts here.

i saw the posts before they were edited to read "deleted." Looked more like messed-up quote tags, with the entire post stuck in a quote box.
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16-12-2016, 10:25 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 07:33 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Read romans 2 rocket surgoen and please ask me questions from there. And god looked for a person to please his wrath for an evil world and the fire is god its called the comforter for all the pain your already experiencing.
https://www.ecclesia.org/truth/martyrdom.html

Nothing in this world is free it takes blood and sweat. When the world rebelled god made a covenant with abraham. Jesus wasn't suppose to die but since he did the gentiles were given grace becuase the jews fully rebelled by killing jesus. Blood was for the jews not christians but god wanted to kill himself for the hurt he recieved when the world rejected him and all his treasures. Like the whore you can't be with me you have to go somewhere else not here he's not putting a gun to your head hell wasn't made for men but that's where you go becuase you can't be with god.

*sigh* We're aware that most of the Christian concept of salvation is lifted from the first chapters of Romans.

But I'm not experiencing pain. I live an honest, decent, respectful life. I try my best to make this world a better place. I have hobbies I enjoy and think that the world is pretty dang nice to live in, for the most part (whether we're going to nuke ourselves off the planet or destroy its environment is another question, but I digress), and I don't see why you should think I am in pain. Your religion has failed to sell me on the concept of being flawed and in need of what you're selling.

To me, Christianity is like the guy who goes around robbing all the houses in a perfectly peaceful town, and then comes back the next day selling security systems to all the people who never had a problem before but are suddenly very worried about thieves. Or more accurately, you're like the DeBeers company, pushing an advertising campaign to convince people that the diamond rings which never mattered before the 1930s are now "the thing she simply MUST have, if you really love her", and everyone suddenly buying the diamonds on which DeBeers has a monopoly (at exorbitant rates, of course). Brilliant. Convince people they're sick and then sell them the snake oil cure.

But I'll tell you something that is free in this world: forgiveness. Oh, you might not want to let go of your pride and offer it freely, but it is indeed free if freely given. No cost. And it's better for you (health wise) if you do.

Forgiveness: Your Health Depends on It (from Johns Hopkins Medical)
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/he...ends-on-it

By making threats of hellfire, calling others sick, and demanding that they be subserviant in order to be forgiven by him for things that offend him, your "God" concept seems to display a deep level of psychological sickness.

So I'll close with the ending words of the Johns Hopkins article:

Forgive yourself.
"The act of forgiving includes forgiving yourself. For instance, if your spouse had an affair, recognize that the affair is not a reflection of your worth," says Swartz.


I think your concept of God is a projection of your pain and inner sadness because you cannot forgive yourself for being imperfect.

When guys like you (and Ray Comfort; that's his favorite schtick) talk about "have you lied, then you're a liar!", it's about placing blame and instilling guilt for failure to live up to ridiculous expectations. Part of taking responsibility is knowing that you're not perfect, accepting that it's okay not to be perfect, and working to be better.

It's not blaming yourself for the failure, thinking of yourself as inherently worthless, and seeking some external source of vicarious atonement and worthiness.

Forgive yourself. You have the power. The church hierarchy tells you that you do not have this power because believing that you don't gives THEM the power.

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16-12-2016, 10:34 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Oh, almost forgot. Hell does not need to exist.

The Jews had no concept of hell (look it up), and most of what we're talking about here is stuff that was later shoehorned into Christianity from Greek, Norse, and other religious traditions that came after. Some of them believed in a heaven you could attain if you were holy enough, but most thought that (as we do) your time ended in the grave. Many of the places the English Bible says "hell" is actually just the Hebrew word for "grave" (sheol). But all that is beside the point.

God could simply have said, "You, Man, the creature with a soul. If you worship me and follow my commandments, you may become Holy and be permitted to enter my presence and live forever in paradise with all the others who have become Holy. If you fail to attain this holy status, then you shall die like all the other creatures on the earth die, and rot in the grave."

That's it. That's all it takes. No need for forgiveness. No need for threats. No need to torture people for disbelieving.

You know who DOES need threats to instill fear and thus obedience in people?

Priests. Not God. Priests. Figure it out.

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16-12-2016, 10:36 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 10:25 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  ...
Forgive yourself. You have the power.
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An epiphany! A revelation!

You're right...




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16-12-2016, 11:00 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 10:24 PM)Astreja Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 09:37 PM)pablo Wrote:  Are you sure you didn't just write "deleted post" yourself to avoid being backed into a corner?
We don't delete posts here.

i saw the posts before they were edited to read "deleted." Looked more like messed-up quote tags, with the entire post stuck in a quote box.

I only have a minute but I will come back and respond to your posts.

Astreja is correct. I tried to put my answers right after FatBaldHobit's statements and I messed it all up so it could not be read. But thanks for trusting me and thinking the best of me. - That's sarcasm.

What is the secret to replying to a post and being able to insert my answers in order right after the original post?
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16-12-2016, 11:20 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Jesus died then went to heaven. I don't think you would go through all that pain and suffering for eternal life. The world rebelled rocket surgeon. Jesus was doing it to make a better place even though where waiting for it. When jedus died hell happened and I can't believe you spoiled rockrt surgeon saying the world is a good place to live in while millions go hungrey and why they cling to a god who gives hope for a better life.
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16-12-2016, 11:22 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 11:00 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  What is the secret to replying to a post and being able to insert my answers in order right after the original post?

It would look something like this on the edit screen:

Code:
[quote]First thing you want to quote[/quote]

(write first part of your reply here)

[quote]Second thing you want to quote[/quote]

(write next part of your reply)

And so on. It takes a bit of practice but you can use that method on most forum software that I know of.

Use the "Preview Post" button to check your work before you hit the "Post" button.
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16-12-2016, 11:23 PM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 11:00 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 10:24 PM)Astreja Wrote:  i saw the posts before they were edited to read "deleted." Looked more like messed-up quote tags, with the entire post stuck in a quote box.

I only have a minute but I will come back and respond to your posts.

Astreja is correct. I tried to put my answers right after FatBaldHobit's statements and I messed it all up so it could not be read. But thanks for trusting me and thinking the best of me. - That's sarcasm.

What is the secret to replying to a post and being able to insert my answers in order right after the original post?

Click the quote button at the bottom right of te post you want to quote and when the reply page loads, click after the [/quote] and start writing

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