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17-12-2016, 12:36 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 08:43 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:37 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Okay Fat and Bald I will try again to post a reply.

Don't do that.

I’ve been here for a little over a year now, and in that time, I’ve seen quite a few Christians coming through these parts who have been intent on selling their religious beliefs to the forum locals. Each proselytizing Christian who comes here has their own spin on their religion that they claim is the real and authentic version. All others are misguided and “don’t know True Christianity™”

The kind ones only try to persuade us to their way of thinking while the obnoxious ones insult us, belittle us, and scream at us and blatantly lie to us. The one thing they all seem to share is a common arrogance that their particular brand of Christianity is the true Christianity, and only they are going to heaven. The rest of the world will burn for all eternity in the fiery pits of hell simply because of the things they think in their heads.

I would like to challenge you to break the mold and have polite, honest and intellectual conversations with people and show that you understand why they may choose not to believe in your religion and that you respect those decisions and regard them as an equal –in every sense of the term- both physically and spiritually.
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17-12-2016, 01:03 AM
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(16-12-2016 11:20 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Jesus died then went to heaven. I don't think you would go through all that pain and suffering for eternal life.

Ever watch somebody dying of cancer? Takes months and makes crucifxion look like a picnic. Poor Jesus got a few hours of pain and suffering. Big woop-di-doo.

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17-12-2016, 01:07 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
Here are some questions for you OP. If you answer them we will be able to evaluate if you are a dick or not.
  • What is your Christian ™ doctrine about homosexuality? Is it evil or is it fine?
  • If it is evil, is it OK for gay people who're not Christian to marry?
  • What is your Christian doctrine on abortion?
  • Are Catholics true Christians, are Mormons true Christians? What about baptists?

Here are some more questions for you:
  • How do you know God is real?
  • Where does the Bible come from, what is its provenance?
  • You said somewhere that you can tell when stuff in the Bible has been mistranslated, can you give an example?
  • Would you like to buy a bridge from me? Golden Gate bridge to be precise? It's said to be miraculous for getting unbelievers to convert to the true faith. 100% money back guarantee.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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17-12-2016, 01:20 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 09:23 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  A true sacrifice is when someone willingly gives up something forever so others can live a better life and they do it without pre-knowledge or the end result of their sacrifice.

This is one of the pesky faith vs faith annoyances.

What we tend to overlook is that what sacrifice means, in the biblical sense, is having your heart ripped beating from your chest. Nothing willing about that. The Christians would very much like for it to mean the nobler type of sacrifice that you describe above but let's not forget the dark and ugly origin of the Western religions. Abraham wasn't luring Isaac up the mountain for a picnic.

"Dad? Where's the goat?"
"Don't worry son, god will provide."

It's been given several coats of paint to hide it, but in terms of origins the only real diference between the Christians and the Aztecs was a little geography.

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17-12-2016, 02:03 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 01:20 AM)Paleophyte Wrote:  Abraham wasn't luring Isaac up the mountain for a picnic.

"Dad? Where's the goat?"
"Don't worry son, god will provide."

I see, it's a metaphorical story! Abraham just wanted to ram Isaac in the thicket!

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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17-12-2016, 05:49 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(17-12-2016 12:36 AM)Aliza Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:43 PM)Aliza Wrote:  Don't do that.

I’ve been here for a little over a year now, and in that time, I’ve seen quite a few Christians coming through these parts who have been intent on selling their religious beliefs to the forum locals. Each proselytizing Christian who comes here has their own spin on their religion that they claim is the real and authentic version. All others are misguided and “don’t know True Christianity™”

The kind ones only try to persuade us to their way of thinking while the obnoxious ones insult us, belittle us, and scream at us and blatantly lie to us. The one thing they all seem to share is a common arrogance that their particular brand of Christianity is the true Christianity, and only they are going to heaven. The rest of the world will burn for all eternity in the fiery pits of hell simply because of the things they think in their heads.

I would like to challenge you to break the mold and have polite, honest and intellectual conversations with people and show that you understand why they may choose not to believe in your religion and that you respect those decisions and regard them as an equal –in every sense of the term- both physically and spiritually.

Nice reply Aliza.

But you know, we can always tell them to "get fucked".

Watch.

Hey dumb arse backward laughable xians. You're fucked.

Now fuck off.

How was that? Huh

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17-12-2016, 08:47 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
(16-12-2016 11:20 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Jesus died then went to heaven. I don't think you would go through all that pain and suffering for eternal life. The world rebelled rocket surgeon. Jesus was doing it to make a better place even though where waiting for it. When jedus died hell happened and I can't believe you spoiled rockrt surgeon saying the world is a good place to live in while millions go hungrey and why they cling to a god who gives hope for a better life.

Jedus Laughat died to make the world a better place?

Let look at the results:

1. Disease and suffering- still here.

2. Death- still here.

3. Hunger(from your post)- still here.

There's not a damn thing that is different since "jedus" allegedly flew off to heaven, looks like he said "fuck, I'm out!" and we haven't seen or heard anything from him since then.

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17-12-2016, 08:50 AM
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Quote:I would like to challenge you to break the mold and have polite, honest and intellectual conversations with people

To be honest to us they need to be honest with themselves first. I dont see that, not at all, not yet.

They have been shown to be rape apologists. Their moral compass is completely skewed (thought crime is of highest moral value). Their god condones slavery, is most probably lacking some omni- abilities (at least one or two of the three). The obsession with evolution, one of the best documented scientific theories (which by the way is still irrelevant to atheism, relevant only for theists who need to deny it to keep themselves from cognitive dissonance). Once they cant but acknowledge that someone has a valid point, they change the topic, as if having another argument could compensate for having just been demonstrably wrong/lying. The list is endless, but they will go to any lenght in order to look for excuses for their monstrous imaginary god (insanely convoluted arguments as we have seen) so they can stay in their mental prison. They dont want to even consider the most blatant contradictions and inhumanity of their cult, let alone admit even one of the arguments brought to them is valid.

Sometimes i think we dont need to show them that there is one argument against their cult, but all they need to "keep the faith" is one argument that we dont refute. As long as we dont completely and utterly demolish their worldview, they will cling to every last bit to keep being slaves to their cult. They have been broken by their cult like Theon Greyjoy was broken by Ramsay. Its even worse. They are not only mentally enslaved by their cult, they are not only full of fear like Theon, they are also happy slaves. You cant drag a slave out of his masters house, who stays partally due to fear and partially due to being happy (being in fact a very distorted kind of happiness). The slave needs to have the will to leave it.

All they are and have is a short and sad existence filled with virtually nothing (an illusion), and they will leave absolutely nothing of importance but the bad example of how one can waste the only life he got, once their bodies start rotting in the ground. They are throwing away their life, and they are doing it with a smile on their face while chanting "i am an unworthy sinner".

I dont see even a starting point with people who want to live in a completely sealed bubble like this, as perverted as this situation for them may be. All you can do is hold up the evidence to their face in the hope they once will dare to question only one single aspect of their silly, unfounded belief.

Although i am swearing (more out of frustration than out of anger) at them regularly, i actually pity them. Who i am really angry about are the leaders who live on those people like leeches, the people that indoctrinate, the peple who know better but go the easy and profitable (both in terms of power and in terms of money) route to prey on the gullible and ignorant, the people who are setting up and keep this vile scheme of self reinforcing ignorance and self loathing running, the people who are actually modern slavers, even worse, people who are creating broken and happy slaves, and they are doing it by starting with children. Thinking of the Theon/Ramsay theme, its actually much, much worse than that.

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17-12-2016, 08:58 AM
RE: Christian Doctrine
I agree with almost everything you say, there. But I like to think that those of us who made it out show that it's at least possible to break the slave mindset, throw off the chains of indoctrination, and become a freeman.

They first have to realize it's possible, that their "master" isn't even really there, let alone ready to give them anything, and that they have the power to do it. They just have to walk away.

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17-12-2016, 09:02 AM
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(17-12-2016 08:58 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I agree with almost everything you say, there. But I like to think that those of us who made it out show that it's at least possible to break the slave mindset and become a freeman.


It's possible, certainly, but I'm afraid that majority don't see it that way. Marx was far from wrong when he called religion an opiate.

Quote:They first have to realize it's possible, that their "master" isn't even really there, let alone ready to give them anything, and that they have the power to do it. They just have to walk away.

Just walking away may be one of hardest things that one can do in span of one life. No wonder not everyone try or even think about trying.

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