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08-08-2017, 08:29 AM
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(08-08-2017 02:13 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  If it's any help, the bible is silent on both pornography (obviously, since the technology didn't exist) and masturbation.

Isn't there something in the OT about not spilling your seed? Though they might have been talking about gardening.

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08-08-2017, 09:29 AM
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(08-08-2017 08:29 AM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 02:13 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  If it's any help, the bible is silent on both pornography (obviously, since the technology didn't exist) and masturbation.

Isn't there something in the OT about not spilling your seed? Though they might have been talking about gardening.

The story of Onan (from memory, so could be wildly out). Onan's bro gets married but dies before having a kid. Onan marries the widow but is scared to jizz inside her for some reason, so he pulls out and ejaculates on the ground. God loses the plot and kills him. In other words wasting jizz by not coming inside a woman is a capital offense. That bit of the Bible where they say "yer all fucked because no one's sinless" - they were probably thinking of everyone wanking all over the Middle East.

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08-08-2017, 10:50 AM
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Robvalue, I found it hard to believe that the bible says nothing about masturbation, so I googled it and was amazed that it's true (at least according to Google). BUT, I am reminded of chapters that were edited out, interpretations, translations, etc. I have no proof but I would just bet that the bible once had something to say about masturbation and it has since been "pulled out." (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I mean, it's a subject that seems like the bible surely would have once addressed.

And I would also have to argue that "pornography" has existed a lot longer than technology. Prior to a medium to view it using any form of technology there were still books, drawings, and most of all, live performance. Long before the bible was written. Long before the time of Jesus.

And we could of course, get into the concept of what exactly constitutes porn being subjective, but that would be a whole other thread.

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08-08-2017, 11:50 AM
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Hmm this may work if you have an iPhone. You could download the Facebook app, make a fake account(don't add anybody just keep it private), and then there is a way to get on safari that way. I think you have to search google or something in the search bar and go from there.

I'm not sure if that will pop up on the history or not since it's the Facebook app. Someone maybe enlighten me?

Just my two cents.
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08-08-2017, 06:33 PM
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(07-08-2017 06:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If you were caught using Tor you weren't doing it properly. It's a one-time use thing. Use it to buy your illegal drugs and lady boys from Thailand using bitcoin, and then delete all traces of it from your machine. How the hell does your old man even know about Tor and the dark web in the first place Tor for that matter.

Why are you downloading porn? So you can look at it later? Bah. You don't store porn locally, silly billy. You point your Tor browser to xhamster or pornhub or whatever, choose whatever category fetches you, watch it for the 3 minutes necessary to relieve your prostate of its toxic buildup, and delete all traces until it's time to take prophylactic measures to prevent prostate cancer and BPH again a day or two later. This doesn't sound like something I would consider relocating over. It doesn't seem to me you that you have fully considered all the technology solutions available.

I have no idea, all I know is that he didn’t figure it out until two weeks later. He must have done some research, because he managed to block it using the router. He also told me during the lecture that there were ways to block Tor.

Yes, it’s possible I haven’t considered all the technology solutions available. The problem is I can’t leave any traces. My father didn’t know for sure that I was viewing porn via Tor, all he knew was that I did use Tor. The fact that I tried to hide my traces was enough for him to condemn me. So if he sees I’m accessing an online proxy such as proxysite.com, he will still give me a lecture about it.

It will be great if you can suggest which technology solutions you have in mind!
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08-08-2017, 07:04 PM
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(08-08-2017 10:50 AM)outtathereligioncloset Wrote:  Robvalue, I found it hard to believe that the bible says nothing about masturbation, so I googled it and was amazed that it's true (at least according to Google). BUT, I am reminded of chapters that were edited out, interpretations, translations, etc. I have no proof but I would just bet that the bible once had something to say about masturbation and it has since been "pulled out." (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I mean, it's a subject that seems like the bible surely would have once addressed.

And I would also have to argue that "pornography" has existed a lot longer than technology. Prior to a medium to view it using any form of technology there were still books, drawings, and most of all, live performance. Long before the bible was written. Long before the time of Jesus.

And we could of course, get into the concept of what exactly constitutes porn being subjective, but that would be a whole other thread.

This is a fascinating discussion! My father’s done sermons on the topic of pornography before. He’s got a recording of all his sermons, which you can check out on... I'm too paranoid to write the link. The link's in the attachment.

I don’t think the word ‘pornography’ appears in the bible. However the bible is very opposed to adultery, for example Deuteronomy 5:18 “You shall not commit adultery”. And here’s another one, Matthew 5:28 “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” So there you go.

I’m actually not clear about what the bible says about masturbation. I won’t be surprised to find an obscure verse somewhere condemning it.

   
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08-08-2017, 07:10 PM
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(08-08-2017 07:04 PM)JBill358 Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 10:50 AM)outtathereligioncloset Wrote:  Robvalue, I found it hard to believe that the bible says nothing about masturbation, so I googled it and was amazed that it's true (at least according to Google). BUT, I am reminded of chapters that were edited out, interpretations, translations, etc. I have no proof but I would just bet that the bible once had something to say about masturbation and it has since been "pulled out." (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I mean, it's a subject that seems like the bible surely would have once addressed.

And I would also have to argue that "pornography" has existed a lot longer than technology. Prior to a medium to view it using any form of technology there were still books, drawings, and most of all, live performance. Long before the bible was written. Long before the time of Jesus.

And we could of course, get into the concept of what exactly constitutes porn being subjective, but that would be a whole other thread.

This is a fascinating discussion! My father’s done sermons on the topic of pornography before. He’s got a recording of all his sermons, which you can check out on... I'm too paranoid to write the link. The link's in the attachment.

I don’t think the word ‘pornography’ appears in the bible. However the bible is very opposed to adultery, for example Deuteronomy 5:18 “You shall not commit adultery”. And here’s another one, Matthew 5:28 “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” So there you go.

I’m actually not clear about what the bible says about masturbation. I won’t be surprised to find an obscure verse somewhere condemning it.

How long before you can move out of the house? You may have to lay low for a while if that option is a ways off.

Obviously you need to make sure you have food and shelter and can leave in a safe manner. Good luck! Smile

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08-08-2017, 07:24 PM
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(08-08-2017 07:04 PM)JBill358 Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 10:50 AM)outtathereligioncloset Wrote:  Robvalue, I found it hard to believe that the bible says nothing about masturbation, so I googled it and was amazed that it's true (at least according to Google). BUT, I am reminded of chapters that were edited out, interpretations, translations, etc. I have no proof but I would just bet that the bible once had something to say about masturbation and it has since been "pulled out." (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I mean, it's a subject that seems like the bible surely would have once addressed.

And I would also have to argue that "pornography" has existed a lot longer than technology. Prior to a medium to view it using any form of technology there were still books, drawings, and most of all, live performance. Long before the bible was written. Long before the time of Jesus.

And we could of course, get into the concept of what exactly constitutes porn being subjective, but that would be a whole other thread.

This is a fascinating discussion! My father’s done sermons on the topic of pornography before. He’s got a recording of all his sermons, which you can check out on... I'm too paranoid to write the link. The link's in the attachment.

I don’t think the word ‘pornography’ appears in the bible. However the bible is very opposed to adultery, for example Deuteronomy 5:18 “You shall not commit adultery”. And here’s another one, Matthew 5:28 “But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” So there you go.

I’m actually not clear about what the bible says about masturbation. I won’t be surprised to find an obscure verse somewhere condemning it.

Googled origins of the word "pornography." I can't figure out how to get the chart from the first entry to paste here, but here are a couple of other interesting links (about the WORD) that work:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=pornography

https://www.britannica.com/topic/pornography

I remember when there used to be a drive-in theatre in or near Raleigh that played X-rated films late at night sometimes. Off a major highway. Where when the leaves fell, for just a couple of seconds driving by you could catch snatches (yep, I said that) of the movie. Caused quite a few wrecks as I recall. Went there once in my wayward youth on a date/dare. Movie was so bad it made me understand why people have sex at the drive-in. They did it to avoid watching the movie.

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09-08-2017, 12:29 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2017 12:48 AM by Robvalue.)
RE: Christian father monitoring my activity
(08-08-2017 09:29 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(08-08-2017 08:29 AM)jerry mcmasters Wrote:  Isn't there something in the OT about not spilling your seed? Though they might have been talking about gardening.

The story of Onan (from memory, so could be wildly out). Onan's bro gets married but dies before having a kid. Onan marries the widow but is scared to jizz inside her for some reason, so he pulls out and ejaculates on the ground. God loses the plot and kills him. In other words wasting jizz by not coming inside a woman is a capital offense. That bit of the Bible where they say "yer all fucked because no one's sinless" - they were probably thinking of everyone wanking all over the Middle East.

This is the main source of the problem, yeah. God killed the guy for not doing what he was told to do (impregnate his brother's wife). It was for disobedience. It doesn't say he killed him just because his jizz hit the ground, that's taking it out of context.

He wasn't masturbating, either. All this verse really tells us is that God is an unhinged psycho. And if you're masturbating and "hitting the ground", you need to be more prepared.

Genesis 38:8-10New International Version (NIV)

8 Then Judah said to Onan, “Sleep with your brother’s wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to raise up offspring for your brother.” 9 But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother’s wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the Lord’s sight; so the Lord put him to death also.

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09-08-2017, 12:44 AM
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(08-08-2017 10:50 AM)outtathereligioncloset Wrote:  Robvalue, I found it hard to believe that the bible says nothing about masturbation, so I googled it and was amazed that it's true (at least according to Google). BUT, I am reminded of chapters that were edited out, interpretations, translations, etc. I have no proof but I would just bet that the bible once had something to say about masturbation and it has since been "pulled out." (Sorry, couldn't resist.) I mean, it's a subject that seems like the bible surely would have once addressed.

And I would also have to argue that "pornography" has existed a lot longer than technology. Prior to a medium to view it using any form of technology there were still books, drawings, and most of all, live performance. Long before the bible was written. Long before the time of Jesus.

And we could of course, get into the concept of what exactly constitutes porn being subjective, but that would be a whole other thread.

Sure yeah, good points. I was thinking of recorded medium only.

God doesn't seem to care about people having 8 million wives and sex slaves in the bible. I doubt he gives a shit.

As for masturbation, indeed, it is never mentioned. You're right, it could have originally been there. But that could be said of anything, and so isn't much of a potential argument from a Christian wanting to call it a "sin".

The only other verse they use (besides mistelling Onan's story) is something about cutting off your hand if it sins. But it says nothing about what sins this would be, and since it hasn't established anywhere else masturbation is a sin, this is just people making it up.

It's always the case that it doesn't matter what the book says, it's what people think it says. Probably most Christians think it condemns masturbation and so the church can use it as leverage over them. Something like 90% don't read it any further than the odd favourite passage here and there and just believe what they are told about the rest.

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