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03-08-2012, 01:10 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:09 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  God is a unicorn therefore
God is omnipotent & omniscient & no contradiction.

God is a piece of toast, therefore;
God is omnipotent & omniscient & and no contridiction & he is VERY tasty.

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03-08-2012, 01:10 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 12:58 PM)morondog Wrote:  OK fine, but I think A2 was frustrated because you could have said
God is a banana therefore
God is omnipotent & omniscient & no contradiction.

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And therefore, there's no contradiction.

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03-08-2012, 01:14 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
morondog - I can't prove that God is infinite. I've never claimed that nor have I ever tried to.

According to my theology, He is; however, that is completely irrelevant simply because the debate could be about anything that is infinite.

Like I said, omniscience and omnipotence are attributes of something infinite. You cannot limit those attributes.

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03-08-2012, 01:15 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Like I said, omniscience and omnipotence are attributes of something infinite. You cannot limit those attributes.

(03-08-2012 01:09 PM)Vosur Wrote:  You have yet to show how this is true. Drinking Beverage What's the causal relationship between being infinite and being omnipotence and omniscience?

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03-08-2012, 01:16 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:09 PM)Vosur Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 12:57 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Omniscience and omnipotence are attributes of infinity.
You have yet to show how this is true. Drinking Beverage What's the causal relationship between being infinite and being omnipotence and omniscience?

Omnipotence - a never ending power. Absolute in power.
Omniscience - a never ending knowledge. Absolute in knowledge.

Infinite - never ending. An absolute.

In Christian theology, God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. These are three words that further define infinite.

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03-08-2012, 01:18 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:14 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  morondog - I can't prove that God is infinite. I've never claimed that nor have I ever tried to.

According to my theology, He is; however, that is completely irrelevant simply because the debate could be about anything that is infinite.

Like I said, omniscience and omnipotence are attributes of something infinite. You cannot limit those attributes.

By not being able to limit those powers, God is not all powerfulHobo

Infinity could have a beginning, being infinite doesn't mean being never ending nor beginning.

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03-08-2012, 01:22 PM
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(03-08-2012 01:18 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  By not being able to limit those powers, God is not all powerfulHobo

That's getting into the God-rock paradox.

Let me know if you want to start down that road... preferably not.

Quote:Infinity could have a beginning, being infinite doesn't mean being never ending nor beginning.

But God, in theology, is also omnipresent. He has no beginning or end.

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03-08-2012, 01:23 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:07 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Why the fuck do you guys call me A2?

What is your opinion on my arguement, is it flawed, or what?

Not flawed AFAICT. I think it deserves more attention.

For reference AtotheTheist's argument is this:
1. God is omnipotent. Meaning all powerful.
2. God is omniscient. Meaning he knows the future.

Since God knows the future, can he *change* the future. If he does, then he already knows that he changed it. Therefore he cannot change the future. Therefore God is not all powerful, contradicting 2.

Hope I got that right?

*My* approach to this would be to wonder about the time aspect there. There's a common theological position which says God is outside the universe therefore outside time. I might even have a crack at pretending to be KC a bit later if he doesn't explore this himself Big Grin

I thought A2 was the accepted abbreviation of your name Wink No worries if not, I'll just have to do more typing.
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03-08-2012, 01:25 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:22 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 01:18 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  By not being able to limit those powers, God is not all powerfulHobo

That's getting into the God-rock paradox.

Let me know if you want to start down that road... preferably not.

Quote:Infinity could have a beginning, being infinite doesn't mean being never ending nor beginning.

But God, in theology, is also omnipresent. He has no beginning or end.

So you are saying that God is both negatively and positively infinite when it comes to the passage of time? That would make him a zero.

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03-08-2012, 01:26 PM
RE: Christian responses to Leviticus et. al?
(03-08-2012 01:23 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(03-08-2012 01:07 PM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Why the fuck do you guys call me A2?

What is your opinion on my arguement, is it flawed, or what?

Not flawed AFAICT. I think it deserves more attention.

For reference AtotheTheist's argument is this:
1. God is omnipotent. Meaning all powerful.
2. God is omniscient. Meaning he knows the future.

Since God knows the future, can he *change* the future. If he does, then he already knows that he changed it. Therefore he cannot change the future. Therefore God is not all powerful, contradicting 2.

Hope I got that right?

*My* approach to this would be to wonder about the time aspect there. There's a common theological position which says God is outside the universe therefore outside time. I might even have a crack at pretending to be KC a bit later if he doesn't explore this himself Big Grin

I thought A2 was the accepted abbreviation of your name Wink No worries if not, I'll just have to do more typing.

Nah, its accepted reminds me of R2D2... Just wondered why you guys put the 2 in there! Lol, keep calling me that if you want.

Thanks for explaining my arugment so KC (and others ) may fully critque it and such. It isn't an original arugment, but it was one that I never got a refutation from.

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