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09-12-2016, 07:25 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(09-12-2016 07:16 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't cherry pick. Jerico were sacrificing children and the amalakites were attacking the jews. Please give me awhole passage of a bad part.

Read the fucking book you ignorant ass.

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09-12-2016, 07:35 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(09-12-2016 06:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Depends on the context so you would allow murding thousands for a cause hun.

No that's not what I said. Rather pathetic.

(09-12-2016 06:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I think prostitution should be legal but I'm saying women who disrupt families or mabe there is somethingvwrong with illicit sex peoples emotions get involved with situations like that.

First, both men and women can disrupt families. Second, all sex involves emotion. If you ever manage to try it with a real person, you may figure that out. I doubt it, but maybe.

(09-12-2016 06:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And I don't condone rape

Liar: I don't care about rape all women are sluts anyway

(09-12-2016 06:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  and niether does the bible ...

Quote:City Rape
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. -- Deuteronomy 22:23-24

Country Rape
But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die. ... For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her. -- Deuteronomy 22:25-27

Of an unbetrothed virgin
If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days. -- Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Of prisoners of war
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. -- Numbers 31:15-18

Have you ever seen an actual bible or are you reading the children's version?

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09-12-2016, 07:40 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Hmm, so you believe that all women are sluts and rape is justified? A few thoughts on that:
  • Screw you.
  • I'll pray for you. And I mean that both passive-aggressively and literally.
  • The Bible does not support your view that women are somehow deserving of rape. (Outside, I'm sure some would argue, that due to the Original Sin inherited from the Fall of Man, we're all worthy of eternal Hellfire.)

(09-12-2016 07:16 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't cherry pick. Jerico were sacrificing children and the amalakites were attacking the jews. Please give me awhole passage of a bad part.

So in 1 Samuel 15, the Amalekites are ordered to be slain: the men, women, and children. What did those children do, even if their elders engaged in slaughter and child sacrifice?

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09-12-2016, 08:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
I don't condon rape. And the bible doesn't either I was just joking except women can be quiet promiscous there more virgin men than women now but you know a thousand years from now in the new world order we will see all the flaws the current world has commited and I believe sexual promiscuity will be one of them. The children would have grown up to hate them and continue what they were doing I guess.
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09-12-2016, 08:26 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(09-12-2016 07:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Its considered a hope for people who strive for a hope to be pacified.

It is a false hope that is used to maintain the status quo and to prevent people from striving in this life for the justice they want and need.

Quote:Why is it so hard to hope for things better without knowing.

There is nothing wrong with desiring things. You need to take action to get them, though, rather than just wishing for them to come tumbling out of the sky for no particular reason.

(By the way, I'm very good at getting what I want, although compared to the average middle-class North American I might appear to want very little. If I have any talent at all, it's the ability to dive into a problem, focus, and make stuff happen.)


Quote:And astreja dispite what I said back there I don't agree with stuff like that but I just wanted to say that you attract me.

Then please be more careful with how you say things. Think them through. See them from the point of view of the person who's going to read them. Say them out loud as you're typing. Read what you write before you post it. Read it again if you're not sure, and when in doubt just erase them. Words have power and they are difficult, if not impossible, to defuse one you fire them off.
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09-12-2016, 08:43 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(09-12-2016 07:40 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I'll pray for you. And I mean that both passive-aggressively and literally.

Shai, I just want to say two things:

1) if more Christians were this self-aware, we'd likely have zero problems with them, and

2) That entire phrase kinda makes you my hero of the day. Big Grin

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09-12-2016, 08:43 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
You know it says the the people of jericho the surviving ones did lead the hebrews astray at the end.
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09-12-2016, 08:59 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(09-12-2016 08:43 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know it says the the people of jericho the surviving ones did lead the hebrews astray at the end.

Learn some Bible history, Socialistview. (No, I don't mean "history as recorded in the Bible", but the actual history of what we know, academically, about how the Bible was written, and when.) The priests who put together what we call the Torah were assembling fragments of older tales and making it a political story that was designed to unify the Judeans in captivity in Babylon, by making up a history and telling lots of "don't let those evil people turn you to their ways". Almost every story in the Old Testament has this as its basis.

Back then, the priests didn't have an issue with genocide, as we do today... it's just the way things were back then, no concept of individual human rights. As such, the "God" in the stories didn't really have one, either.

We know better, now. Genocide is bad, m'kay. You don't need to make excuses for God's genocidal commands. You just need to understand that their tribal war god exacting revenge on the enemies of The Right Way To Live™, usually using the hands/swords of His Chosen People™, of course, is all about trying to get the conquered people from simply absorbing into the population of Babylon. Think of the whole thing as an extension of what was happening to Daniel, Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego.

And it worked! The Jews remained unified and continued their traditions right up to the present day... even in the face of a later attempt to assimilate them, called Christianity.

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09-12-2016, 09:23 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
How do we not strive astreja this isn't the middle ages anymore where people were forced to be servants and I don't think the bible is as limiting as humans try to be. I've already told you moses said that not god.
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09-12-2016, 09:25 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
No there were prophets that told the people not to go by their ways.
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