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09-12-2016, 10:17 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Ya it doesn't add up they rebelled till they were exiled then came back they weren't unified till david but yes your correct god killed of Samuels whole becuase they corrupted the system making the people as slaves and stuff but that was in the beginning.
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10-12-2016, 07:04 AM
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(09-12-2016 10:17 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya it doesn't add up they rebelled till they were exiled then came back they weren't unified till david but yes your correct god killed of Samuels whole becuase they corrupted the system making the people as slaves and stuff but that was in the beginning.

add and as back becuase beginning. but but came correct corrupted david doesn't exiled god in it killed making of people rebelled Samuels slaves stuff system that the the the then they they they they till till unified up was were weren't whole Ya yes your

No... sorting doesn't hep it make any more sense.... then again, it doesn't result in anything that makes less sense either

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10-12-2016, 10:46 AM
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This thread cracks me up Laugh out load Drinking Beverage
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10-12-2016, 12:41 PM
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(09-12-2016 08:43 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 07:40 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  I'll pray for you. And I mean that both passive-aggressively and literally.

Shai, I just want to say two things:

1) if more Christians were this self-aware, we'd likely have zero problems with them, and

2) That entire phrase kinda makes you my hero of the day. Big Grin

Thanks Smile (Swear I'll reply to that PM at some point...) Next up, "bless your heart", as a fellow former Baptist, you know it's the next nuclear option Tongue

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10-12-2016, 01:17 PM
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(10-12-2016 12:41 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:43 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Shai, I just want to say two things:

1) if more Christians were this self-aware, we'd likely have zero problems with them, and

2) That entire phrase kinda makes you my hero of the day. Big Grin

Thanks Smile (Swear I'll reply to that PM at some point...) Next up, "bless your heart", as a fellow former Baptist, you know it's the next nuclear option Tongue

Yeah, that phrase basically means, "Ohh, you're touched in the head, aren't you?" Laugh out load

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10-12-2016, 01:23 PM
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(10-12-2016 12:41 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:43 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Shai, I just want to say two things:

1) if more Christians were this self-aware, we'd likely have zero problems with them, and

2) That entire phrase kinda makes you my hero of the day. Big Grin

Thanks Smile (Swear I'll reply to that PM at some point...) Next up, "bless your heart", as a fellow former Baptist, you know it's the next nuclear option Tongue

Yes, I was also quite impressed, FWIW. Thumbsup

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10-12-2016, 01:25 PM
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(10-12-2016 01:23 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(10-12-2016 12:41 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Thanks Smile (Swear I'll reply to that PM at some point...) Next up, "bless your heart", as a fellow former Baptist, you know it's the next nuclear option Tongue

Yes, I was also quite impressed, FWIW. Thumbsup
I agree. Sincere respect to you Shai.
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11-12-2016, 01:11 AM
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Thanks guys, FWIW, appreciate it. Just...this whole thread has had me, aghast? Moreso than Borg's, because Borg's is just this line of nonsense that never ends, but it's not...seemingly as malicious in nature? If that makes any sense in context.

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11-12-2016, 05:20 AM
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(09-12-2016 08:59 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(09-12-2016 08:43 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know it says the the people of jericho the surviving ones did lead the hebrews astray at the end.

Learn some Bible history, Socialistview. (No, I don't mean "history as recorded in the Bible", but the actual history of what we know, academically, about how the Bible was written, and when.) The priests who put together what we call the Torah were assembling fragments of older tales and making it a political story that was designed to unify the Judeans in captivity in Babylon, by making up a history and telling lots of "don't let those evil people turn you to their ways". Almost every story in the Old Testament has this as its basis.

Back then, the priests didn't have an issue with genocide, as we do today... it's just the way things were back then, no concept of individual human rights. As such, the "God" in the stories didn't really have one, either.

We know better, now. Genocide is bad, m'kay. You don't need to make excuses for God's genocidal commands. You just need to understand that their tribal war god exacting revenge on the enemies of The Right Way To Live™, usually using the hands/swords of His Chosen People™, of course, is all about trying to get the conquered people from simply absorbing into the population of Babylon. Think of the whole thing as an extension of what was happening to Daniel, Shadrach, Meschach, and Abednego.

And it worked! The Jews remained unified and continued their traditions right up to the present day... even in the face of a later attempt to assimilate them, called Christianity.

Excellent post.
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11-12-2016, 08:37 PM
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Ok the bible is correct and yes I believe they put everything together for them to stay unified but genocide wasn't on their agenda you can keep claiming genocide but it wasn't. Don't we kill kids now if they try to attack us what do you say about that I don't agree with war but this is the same reason just a different context as you say, if the children grew up they would continue the traditions and there would be human sacrifices again a henious thing to do.
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