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24-02-2017, 08:01 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
1 corinthians 15:44-49
If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

See you don't understand there's a physical as there is a spiritual we can see that we need to be caring by physicality of what we see but jesus was a space man heavenly man how things are in heaven and how things will be on earth were coming to think about being caring for one another but jesus said that before for the christians european descent to know how to be caring. So it was futuristict for this day and age time. The old testament is the history. This is it don't do no wrong to anybody but only do right to them which intells being a very giving person.

Chemisty says just as many grams in the beginning reaction will be how many grams in the end result.
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24-02-2017, 08:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
The bible tells you everything.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...imothy%204
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24-02-2017, 09:22 PM
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It is futuristic that its for today how were suppose to think now.
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25-02-2017, 03:04 AM
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(23-02-2017 03:29 PM)kim Wrote:  
(21-02-2017 05:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Amusingly, no Christian to whom I have ever spoken seems aware that David already had two wives before he became king and started acquiring several more. That was no problem... God made the man married to two women a king!

But taking another man's wife, as with Bathsheba... wwweeellllll, oh now we have a problem!

I usually bring this up when I'm having the "God wants One Man And One Woman For Life!" argument with my family members. Dodgy

Prior to their affair, David sent Bathsheba's husband off on a mission he knew to be, more or less a suicide affair. Guess what? He was killed.

David not only knowingly killed one of his most loyal, right hand men, he did it just so he could get the guy out of the way in order to fuck the guy's wife.

It's good to be the king. Drinking Beverage


To be one of his most loyal, right hand men, though... not the best gig.

Sorry if I am not getting this but King David wasn't a Christian. I went to Sunday school and, apart from being told that David slew Goliath, I wasn't told anything about David, nor was he portrayed as part of the Christian "tradition" in any sense. I was taught that the "Old" Testament had been superseded and replaced by the "New" Testament. I find a there are quite a few people, like Sam Harris, Robert Spencer, and even Ralph E$%is who talk about Christianity as though it is subsumed within Judaism with a few dopy tweeks, rather than as a completely different religion with a different worldview and philosophy; and an opposing one at that.. Hmmm....

My view as someone raised in Christianity is that the people in the New Testament who Jesus was preaching to were called "Gentiles" and that my ancestors, since they weren't Jewish, had to have been equivalent to the Gentiles. I take that as meaning some kind of pagans.
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25-02-2017, 03:41 AM
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He's certainly supposed to be a hero, by all counts. And the same God was hanging around, seemingly being fine with all this stuff.

Unless Christians want to say that God changed his mind, and morality is now different to how he used to want it, then they are stuck with these bullshit characters.

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25-02-2017, 05:30 PM
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(25-02-2017 03:04 AM)Deltabravo Wrote:  Sorry if I am not getting this but King David wasn't a Christian. I went to Sunday school and, apart from being told that David slew Goliath, I wasn't told anything about David, nor was he portrayed as part of the Christian "tradition" in any sense.
I have never heard anyone claim any OT character is a Christian but they are often held forth as heroes of "the faith" in the sense of "belief in the one true god". However "hero of the faith" does tend to get blurred in people's minds to the point that I suppose some think of OT patriarchs for example as if they were sort of early-model Christians.
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11-03-2017, 10:53 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
1john 1
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar....
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11-03-2017, 11:18 AM
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I don't believe in sin, am I all good ? No sometimes I'm mean and unkind or selfish and inconsiderate but I'm no sinner, sin doesn't exist its a religious concept designed to provoke guilt. I don't need to be provoked into guilt I have an innate sense of morality no gods necessary I feel guilty if I behave badly without the need for gods.
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11-03-2017, 11:42 AM
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(11-03-2017 10:53 AM)socialistview Wrote:  1john 1
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar....

Exactly how can any flawed, pathetic, groveling mortal cause harm to an omnipotent being?

An omniscient god would know in advance that the creatures he was going to create would be imperfect.

An omnipotent god would be able to create creatures that would not sin.

Am omnibenevolent god would not create creatures he knew he was going to have to torture forever in a lake of eternal fire.

What does all that say about your god?

Your god sounds pretty fucked up to me.

Help for the living. Hope for the dead. ~ R.G. Ingersoll

Freedom offers opportunity. Opportunity confers responsibility. Responsibility to use the freedom we enjoy wisely, honestly and humanely. ~ Noam Chomsky
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11-03-2017, 11:43 AM
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Then you make him out to be a liar.
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