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13-03-2017, 08:34 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(13-03-2017 04:02 PM)Jay Vogelsong Wrote:  That's an interesting video, and fairly well produced too. I assume there must be a similar video about the evolution of the God concept -- ?

So many religious people see their doctrines as static "revealed truths", so it's always good to hear the real story.

He makes good points. There is no video on the christian god yet, but there is one about Jesus. Enjoy.






Here's a few more - not as good as the first two - reaffirming the morals of some Christians.







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13-03-2017, 10:15 PM
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Ya lucifer taught war and how to make weapons. Sun of the morning the light bearer. I think you need to see the bible a little different god doesn't care about the law and breaking it he cares for people who intentionally want to do that wrong he doesn't care about you obeying the law for the most part rather than trying to obey his comnands if you get what I'm saying and god was like that in the old testament with jesus saying don't you understand the reason for the law and not obeying it becuase you have to. And I was thinking god gave free will so and no one wants to follow god.
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13-03-2017, 10:22 PM
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From what I've read god seems pretty up for people obeying his laws otherwise why have them at all, are you making this crap up as you go along ? Don't give up your day job as you suck at christian theology.
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14-03-2017, 04:37 AM
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(13-03-2017 10:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya lucifer taught war and how to make weapons.

Dude, seriously, get your head out of your programming.

There is no Satan. Warfare is an outcome when you have intelligent animals that can craft tools and guard territory. Period. Heck, half the Old Testament is about which tribe fights for the land they believe belongs to them and not that other tribe of chimpanzees humans.

We've discovered stone weapons/tools almost three million years old. We've found bodies that show they were killed violently by those weapons. We've discovered evidence of warfare going back many thousands of years, in dozens of cultures that never heard of your Satan until Christians arrived.

We even find it in nature. Organized territorial and tribal warfare, just like us. Did Satan teach weapons and warfare to chimpanzees, too?

Are you seriously so programmed that you are going to tell us to our (virtual) faces that you think it took a magical evil being to teach innocent humanity how to kill one another over territory, when our closest cousin species on earth also do it?

Edit to Add: There is some evidence from our bonobo cousins that females may have been the first to innovate and use tools and weapons... so it is possible that a very clever woman tricked her idiot mate into taking humanity down a dark path, a couple of million years ago, but that has nothing to do with Adam & Eve, of course. Laugh out load

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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14-03-2017, 05:14 AM
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(13-03-2017 10:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya lucifer taught war and how to make weapons. Sun of the morning the light bearer. I think you need to see the bible a little different god doesn't care about the law and breaking it he cares for people who intentionally want to do that wrong he doesn't care about you obeying the law for the most part rather than trying to obey his comnands if you get what I'm saying and god was like that in the old testament with jesus saying don't you understand the reason for the law and not obeying it becuase you have to. And I was thinking god gave free will so and no one wants to follow god.

Here you go again with your ignorant paraphrasing. You might want to learn what the "Lord of Hosts" means before creating another ridiculous assertion.

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

Using the supernatural to explain events in your life is a failure of the intellect to comprehend the world around you. -The Inquisition
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14-03-2017, 08:29 AM
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(13-03-2017 08:34 PM)M. Linoge Wrote:  He makes good points. There is no video on the christian god yet, but there is one about Jesus. Enjoy.

I watched the one about Jesus, which was again excellent. The video added many interesting details to my own assessment, which was based on Bart Ehrman's detective work showing that Jesus was an apocalypticist. I like the explanation for how the tale grew over time. Given the times in which the NT authors lived, and the competing beliefs which also included supernatural elements, the Jesus stories likely evolved as legends (rather than merely as whole cloth fictions).
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14-03-2017, 11:08 AM
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God knew he would do that he knows everything and free will is not more important but Im confused about your other point you try to make.
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14-03-2017, 11:13 AM
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(14-03-2017 11:08 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God knew he would do that he knows everything and free will is not more important but Im confused about your other point you try to make.

Who the hell are you responding to? See the reply button? Use it!

You can't even figure out how to use the reply button, but for some reason, you think you have biblical theology figured out, complete with your kludged tarot card/witchcraft/biblical combo version of it. Facepalm

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14-03-2017, 11:39 AM
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(14-03-2017 11:08 AM)socialistview Wrote:  God knew he would do that he knows everything and free will is not more important but Im confused about your other point you try to make.
You're already going to hell anyway for worshiping satan with a capital S and disrespecting god by not using a capital G. Why not join us and become an atheist? Tongue
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15-03-2017, 09:24 PM
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Obeying his laws puts you in harmony with nature and reality so you have no negative consequences as thw outcome.
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