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15-03-2017, 09:28 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-03-2017 09:24 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Obeying his laws puts you in harmony with nature and reality so you have no negative consequences as thw outcome.

Are you even having a conversation or are you just throwing out nonsense?

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15-03-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-03-2017 09:24 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Obeying his laws puts you in harmony with nature and reality so you have no negative consequences as the outcome.

What the fuck does this even mean? Are you actually saying that people who have a belief in the supernatural or paranormal are in touch with reality more so than atheists? Seriously LOL.

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16-03-2017, 02:18 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-03-2017 09:24 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Obeying his laws puts you in harmony with nature and reality so you have no negative consequences as thw outcome.


So, we can't pick up sticks on the Sabbath? But note, nowhere in the laws of God is rape mentioned. Is it OK then to rape somebody?

Deuteronomy 13
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Can we stone those false TV prophets who turn the nation away from the True religion for money and their egos?

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16-03-2017, 03:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-03-2017 02:18 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(15-03-2017 09:24 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Obeying his laws puts you in harmony with nature and reality so you have no negative consequences as thw outcome.

The new testament says no god will handle that.

So, we can't pick up sticks on the Sabbath? But note, nowhere in the laws of God is rape mentioned. Is it OK then to rape somebody?

Deuteronomy 13
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Can we stone those false TV prophets who turn the nation away from the True religion for money and their egos?
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16-03-2017, 03:47 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-03-2017 03:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  
(16-03-2017 02:18 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  The new testament says no god will handle that.

So, we can't pick up sticks on the Sabbath? But note, nowhere in the laws of God is rape mentioned. Is it OK then to rape somebody?

Deuteronomy 13
5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the Lord thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

Can we stone those false TV prophets who turn the nation away from the True religion for money and their egos?

Why should we think you've figured out the bible when you can't even figure out how to use "reply" properly?

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16-03-2017, 03:48 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(13-03-2017 10:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya lucifer taught war and how to make weapons. Sun of the morning the light bearer. I think you need to see the bible a little different god doesn't care about the law and breaking it he cares for people who intentionally want to do that wrong he doesn't care about you obeying the law for the most part rather than trying to obey his comnands if you get what I'm saying and god was like that in the old testament with jesus saying don't you understand the reason for the law and not obeying it becuase you have to. And I was thinking god gave free will so and no one wants to follow god.

Lucifer? No such thing. Notice in the Torah, God never speaks of Satan, nor warns the Israelites of his existence and supposed habits. There is no mention of heaven, hell or an afterlife. How did God screw that up? No, Satan was a later addition to Biblical tradition. The Torah gives us long list of supposed revelations from God to Moses and the Israelites so it's not like he didn't interact at length with the Israelites.

Free will? Paul's theology assures us that from the beginning of time, God chose who will be elect and who will not. God the Great Poter decides arbitrarily who will be vessels of honor and who will be vessels of dishonor. Free will? There is no free will in the NT.

I would suggest to you the book "Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther where Luther systematically works his way through the Bible to demonstrate that Biblically, free will is impossible. Luther does a good job of it, saving me work to point out what the Bible teaches about free will, or rather, the lack thereof. It's freely and readily available on the net.

Jean Calvin's works are just as exhaustive.
CALVIN'S CALVINISM
Treatises on the Eternal Predestination of God
The Secret Providence of God
http://www.reformed.org/documents/index....ation.html

With equal impudence it is that you attack me when I teach that God executes His decrees by means of Satan and the reprobate, to the manifestation of His own glory. That Satan is an instrument of His wrath God plainly testifies both in His Word and by universal experience.
John Calvin.

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23-03-2017, 11:20 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
So they knew that god was helping the jews and the cannanites still sinned and stood against them. Could this be sodom and gommarrah.

Joshua 5New International Version (NIV)

5 Now when all the Amorite kings west of the Jordan and all the Canaanite kings along the coast heard how the Lord had dried up the Jordan before the Israelites until they[a] had crossed over, their hearts melted in fear and they no longer had the courage to face the Israelites.
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23-03-2017, 11:43 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-03-2017 03:48 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  
(13-03-2017 10:15 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Ya lucifer taught war and how to make weapons. Sun of the morning the light bearer. I think you need to see the bible a little different god doesn't care about the law and breaking it he cares for people who intentionally want to do that wrong he doesn't care about you obeying the law for the most part rather than trying to obey his comnands if you get what I'm saying and god was like that in the old testament with jesus saying don't you understand the reason for the law and not obeying it becuase you have to. And I was thinking god gave free will so and no one wants to follow god.

Lucifer? No such thing. Notice in the Torah, God never speaks of Satan, nor warns the Israelites of his existence and supposed habits. There is no mention of heaven, hell or an afterlife. How did God screw that up? No, Satan was a later addition to Biblical tradition. The Torah gives us long list of supposed revelations from God to Moses and the Israelites so it's not like he didn't interact at length with the Israelites.

Free will? Paul's theology assures us that from the beginning of time, God chose who will be elect and who will not. God the Great Poter decides arbitrarily who will be vessels of honor and who will be vessels of dishonor. Free will? There is no free will in the NT.

I would suggest to you the book "Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther where Luther systematically works his way through the Bible to demonstrate that Biblically, free will is impossible. Luther does a good job of it, saving me work to point out what the Bible teaches about free will, or rather, the lack thereof. It's freely and readily available on the net.

Jean Calvin's works are just as exhaustive.
CALVIN'S CALVINISM
Treatises on the Eternal Predestination of God
The Secret Providence of God
http://www.reformed.org/documents/index....ation.html

With equal impudence it is that you attack me when I teach that God executes His decrees by means of Satan and the reprobate, to the manifestation of His own glory. That Satan is an instrument of His wrath God plainly testifies both in His Word and by universal experience.
John Calvin.

So Satan is the good guy then ? Cool I always thought it right to worship him. Tongue
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23-03-2017, 11:48 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(23-03-2017 11:43 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(16-03-2017 03:48 PM)Cheerful Charlie Wrote:  Lucifer? No such thing. Notice in the Torah, God never speaks of Satan, nor warns the Israelites of his existence and supposed habits. There is no mention of heaven, hell or an afterlife. How did God screw that up? No, Satan was a later addition to Biblical tradition. The Torah gives us long list of supposed revelations from God to Moses and the Israelites so it's not like he didn't interact at length with the Israelites.

Free will? Paul's theology assures us that from the beginning of time, God chose who will be elect and who will not. God the Great Poter decides arbitrarily who will be vessels of honor and who will be vessels of dishonor. Free will? There is no free will in the NT.

I would suggest to you the book "Bondage of the Will" by Martin Luther where Luther systematically works his way through the Bible to demonstrate that Biblically, free will is impossible. Luther does a good job of it, saving me work to point out what the Bible teaches about free will, or rather, the lack thereof. It's freely and readily available on the net.

Jean Calvin's works are just as exhaustive.
CALVIN'S CALVINISM
Treatises on the Eternal Predestination of God
The Secret Providence of God
http://www.reformed.org/documents/index....ation.html

With equal impudence it is that you attack me when I teach that God executes His decrees by means of Satan and the reprobate, to the manifestation of His own glory. That Satan is an instrument of His wrath God plainly testifies both in His Word and by universal experience.
John Calvin.

So Satan is the good guy then ? Cool I always thought it right to worship him. Tongue

Compared with god he is best guy ever:

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23-03-2017, 11:52 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(23-03-2017 11:48 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(23-03-2017 11:43 AM)adey67 Wrote:  So Satan is the good guy then ? Cool I always thought it right to worship him. Tongue

Compared with god he is best guy ever:

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