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14-12-2016, 11:42 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Your no girl getter like me who can get a girl to sleep with me the first night. I guess by those verses gods going by the percieved natural order of things yinyang if you get what I'm saying. Men and women have different qualities so not to disturb I guess. You know I don't have the full truth becuase I am merely a subjective human but doesn't mean you defy orders when you don't understand the reasons at that time. All I see is spoiled brats on here who don't want to look closely at scripture and see all that's inside it. I have no rape apologetics I know now that it says in the new testament that if a man sleeps with a woman its sin on the man and not the woman. Mabe the old testament is the man's side of the story and the new testament is the woman's.

Now you proved yourself to be a lying rape apologist.

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14-12-2016, 11:46 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Your no girl getter like me who can get a girl to sleep with me the first night.

Laughat

That's not being a good little Christian you naughty sinner.

Why do you bother here? Your limited understanding of when and why the bible was written just makes you look foolish. Your abominably low moral standards and your misogyny just make you look despicable.

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14-12-2016, 12:37 PM
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(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Your no girl getter like me who can get a girl to sleep with me the first night.

Thank you for making your position on the value of women quite clear.

Even if I take you at your word that you're a "girl getter" (and I'm gonna leave THAT one alone), do you really think you're the only guy here capable of attracting women so they're willing to go to bed the first night? The difference is that most of us have a better view of the value of the woman as an equal and a person, and we don't see them as conquests. What you have said here is almost definitive of the misogynistic outlook.

I think this insight into your perspective tells us all we need to know about why you find the verses about conquest in war acceptable, and why you're willing to write off all those victims as "naturally submissive". It makes me shudder to even type that, yet you rolled it off like you were making a serious point. Wow.

Check yourself, mate. You have some serious personal problems. And a simple adjustment of your life outlook would go a long way. But I'll help you get started. It's really very simple:

Women are your fellow human beings. They are equal in every respect. They have inherent dignity, value, and rights that may never be violated by anyone, for any reason, without diminishing the value of every human being. Men who don't suffer from tiny-dick syndrome are in no way challenged or frightened by the full and equal dignity, value, and rights of women. Indeed, our world is made better now, now that we have stopped treating women like second-class citizens, subjects, and/or submissive objects to be "had".

FFS, Socialistview, learn. Join us here in the 21st century.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I guess by those verses gods going by the percieved natural order of things yinyang if you get what I'm saying. Men and women have different qualities so not to disturb I guess. You know I don't have the full truth becuase I am merely a subjective human but doesn't mean you defy orders when you don't understand the reasons at that time.

Those verses are the priests of a barbaric society using God to justify the barbarism of their tribe. It's not the only scripture to do so; indeed, it seems to be the rule, rather than the exception.

What might make the Bible stand out as a source for "Ultimate Moral Guidance" (and be evidence that God is perhaps real) is if the priests who claimed to have the voice of God directing their pens did not follow the "perceived natural order of things" in their society at the time, and instead of outlawing circumcision and shellfish but allowing slavery and misogyny, God had told those priests "these barbaric practices will make you all look really bad, some day, and reflect on me by proxy, so through your scriptures I shall command the Israelites to never own their fellow human beings as property, and to treat women with full dignity, equality, and respect, even though none of the other nations around them do, and by this they shall be called My People, and remain Holy. Thus Saith The Lord."

But it doesn't. It sounds just like regular ol' barbarians, with their priests writing down scriptures that has their God justifying their barbarism. Just like every other ancient scripture from other ancient cultures. Get it now? Do you understand our objections?

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  All I see is spoiled brats on here who don't want to look closely at scripture and see all that's inside it.

Um... You do realize that one of your main critics in this thread is a Christian, a professor, and someone who has studied the Bible at an academic level, right?

When the atheists and the Christians who have studied the Bible all are saying the same thing to you, it might be time to consider that your own perspective juuuuuuuuuust might be distorted (warped) on the subject.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I have no rape apologetics I know now that it says in the new testament that if a man sleeps with a woman its sin on the man and not the woman. Mabe the old testament is the man's side of the story and the new testament is the woman's.

Where does it say that "if a man sleeps with a woman its [sic] sin on the man not the woman", in the New Testament, exactly?

Because the New Testament definitely says this:

"Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands." - Ephesians 5:22-24

The husband is superior to the woman as Jesus the Lord is superior to men. This verse literally implies that the husband has a status of dominance that is equivalent to that of a god over a human. Think about that for just a minute, and you will realize why we think you're a misogynist.

Finally, yes you are a rape apologist when you try to make excuses, any excuses, for why captive virgins captured in war by male soldiers were anything other than pure victims of male violence. There's no holy excuse, there's no masculinity-makes-you-have-urges excuse (which, by the way, is the standard rapist outlook), and there's no justification for this barbarity. Period. You should feel deep shame for even thinking this.

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14-12-2016, 12:54 PM
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That was a beautiful and long reply to a troll RS. Seriously. You might as well debate misogyny with Trump.

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14-12-2016, 01:00 PM
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(14-12-2016 12:37 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Um... You do realize that one of your main critics in this thread is a Christian, a professor, and someone who has studied the Bible at an academic level, right?

When the atheists and the Christians who have studied the Bible all are saying the same thing to you, it might be time to consider that your own perspective juuuuuuuuuust might be distorted (warped) on the subject.

Blush Thanks RS! Though to be fair, my subject area isn't the Bible...studying it at that level is just a hobby, like for many here, and to better understand my own religion. Also because I like to bring out superior knowledge against a Baptist minister in-law whose smarmy holier-than-thou attitude needs taken down a few pegs.

Anyhow, yeah...you're channeling exactly what I think everyone is thinking here, but doing so more eloquently than the rest of us. It's not some sort of atheistic group think going on, as much as how we're all equally horrified at the sort of stuff he's saying about women, respect for and treatment of women, and the backtracking on rape comments, then doubling down on them again in other statements and ways.

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14-12-2016, 01:08 PM
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True but as an intellectual moron humour is my only way of fighting back against his disgusting theology that I can think of, so hopefully I wont be too much in your bad books Smile
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14-12-2016, 01:20 PM (This post was last modified: 14-12-2016 01:25 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 01:00 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 12:37 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Um... You do realize that one of your main critics in this thread is a Christian, a professor, and someone who has studied the Bible at an academic level, right?

When the atheists and the Christians who have studied the Bible all are saying the same thing to you, it might be time to consider that your own perspective juuuuuuuuuust might be distorted (warped) on the subject.

Blush Thanks RS! Though to be fair, my subject area isn't the Bible...studying it at that level is just a hobby, like for many here, and to better understand my own religion. Also because I like to bring out superior knowledge against a Baptist minister in-law whose smarmy holier-than-thou attitude needs taken down a few pegs.

Anyhow, yeah...you're channeling exactly what I think everyone is thinking here, but doing so more eloquently than the rest of us. It's not some sort of atheistic group think going on, as much as how we're all equally horrified at the sort of stuff he's saying about women, respect for and treatment of women, and the backtracking on rape comments, then doubling down on them again in other statements and ways.

Yes, I would imagine that, as a professor of criminology who has to deal with the overwhelming data about the very real effects/consequences of this misogynist outlook on female victims, this stuff is even more sickening to you than it is to most of us.

It is a little funny, to me, to hear the "spoiled brats on here who don't want to look closely at scripture and see all that's inside it" accusation leveled at us in the immediate wake of (and I think inspired-to-be-written by the) criticism of his ideas by such a studious and dedicated Christian.

We get such accusations all the time, of course. It was just amusing to me that he happened to level it in (seeming) response to your comments, or in response to comments which synched with what you were writing, such that he was essentially accusing you of being dishonest because of your atheism... since, I suppose, that's the only reason such people can imagine that would cause us to disagree with them about their scriptural interpretation. Dodgy

It's a fundamental (pun intended) level of intellectual dishonesty that would prevent me from sleeping at night... and yet they're the ones who have the gall to level the accusation at us. Even those of us who aren't atheists. Laugh out load

Edit to Add: Oh, and in response to Morondog, I'm not quite so willing to write him off as a deliberate troll. I think the appearance of trolling is accidental, in accordance with Poe's Law. When you grew up, as Shai Hulud and I did, among people who really think like this guy, it's not so difficult to accept that these seemingly-crazy statements are something other than the result of malicious intent on the forum, but rather have their origin in a malicious misogyny that pervades their upbringing and thus their thought-patterns.

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14-12-2016, 01:28 PM
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(13-12-2016 09:52 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(13-12-2016 09:19 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know the illuminati has done good with you just to destroy you in the end with your random sense of morality you being so critical and don't even know how it was back then in an un"organized" society where you have to court and everything.
You're an idiot you wrote a huge pile of shit and now its blown back at you and you have quite literally written yourself into a corner, you have zero credibility. You also have no idea how it was back then either but that's largely irrelevant if you talk shit on here people will eat you alive, you can't expect anything different. You lost, time to give up if you have any sense.

IKR? For him to even continue to post shows just how clueless he is, he's done nothing but make himself and his book look bad- but he refuses to recognize it. Facepalm

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14-12-2016, 01:42 PM
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(14-12-2016 01:20 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 01:00 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  Blush Thanks RS! Though to be fair, my subject area isn't the Bible...studying it at that level is just a hobby, like for many here, and to better understand my own religion. Also because I like to bring out superior knowledge against a Baptist minister in-law whose smarmy holier-than-thou attitude needs taken down a few pegs.

Anyhow, yeah...you're channeling exactly what I think everyone is thinking here, but doing so more eloquently than the rest of us. It's not some sort of atheistic group think going on, as much as how we're all equally horrified at the sort of stuff he's saying about women, respect for and treatment of women, and the backtracking on rape comments, then doubling down on them again in other statements and ways.

Yes, I would imagine that, as a professor of criminology who has to deal with the overwhelming data about the very real effects/consequences of this misogynist outlook on female victims, this stuff is even more sickening to you than it is to most of us.

It is a little funny, to me, to hear the "spoiled brats on here who don't want to look closely at scripture and see all that's inside it" accusation leveled at us in the immediate wake of (and I think inspired-to-be-written by the) criticism of his ideas by such a studious and dedicated Christian.

We get such accusations all the time, of course. It was just amusing to me that he happened to level it in (seeming) response to your comments, or in response to comments which synched with what you were writing, such that he was essentially accusing you of being dishonest because of your atheism... since, I suppose, that's the only reason such people can imagine that would cause us to disagree with them about their scriptural interpretation. Dodgy

It's a fundamental (pun intended) level of intellectual dishonesty that would prevent me from sleeping at night... and yet they're the ones who have the gall to level the accusation at us. Even those of us who aren't atheists. Laugh out load

Edit to Add: Oh, and in response to Morondog, I'm not quite so willing to write him off as a deliberate troll. I think the appearance of trolling is accidental, in accordance with Poe's Law. When you grew up, as Shai Hulud and I did, among people who really think like this guy, it's not so difficult to accept that these seemingly-crazy statements are something other than the result of malicious intent on the forum, but rather have their origin in a malicious misogyny that pervades their upbringing and thus their thought-patterns.

Oh yeah RS, I've seen this first hand. There were men in several of the churches that I went to that were throwbacks to 700 B.C.E.

They actively preached that women were to submit to their husbands, they simply did not have an equal footing with men. Man was the head of the household and he could consider what the woman has to say, but they absolutely had to submit.

One of these misogynistic clowns started his own church, he moved out into the country away from the city with his followers with the wives of these idiots meekly saying "yes dear, your will is god's will dear."

My brother was one of these idiots that moved out with him, he was convinced the apocalypse was soon. They thought they were going to go through the tribulation, so they had to run to the country to survive the reign of the antichrist.

My brother eventually pulled his head out of his ass and got out from it.

My loathing is palpable for these nutbars, the more of these clowns in jail, the better. Censored

This insanity was one of the reasons I left Christianity, the inmates are running the Christian asylum churches. Facepalm

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14-12-2016, 02:04 PM
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Professor Halud is it possible for you to explain to a moron like me why you believe in a supernatural deity? Not a trick question I'm interested to try and understand bearing in mind that to be honest I'm not more than basic intelligent.
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