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14-12-2016, 02:12 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 02:04 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Professor Halud is it possible for you to explain to a moron like me why you believe in a supernatural deity? Not a trick question I'm interested to try and understand bearing in mind that to be honest I'm not more than basic intelligent.

You know what hacks me off more than anything? Seeing someone do themselves down like this. Believe in your own abilities you bastard Angry

Anyway Shai Hulud sucks balls at explaining why he believes. Basically because he wants to as far as I can work out. But if you don't get it it ain't 'cos there's a problem with you.

I heard you've got a nasty mole. Fuck that too. Angry

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14-12-2016, 02:17 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 02:12 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 02:04 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Professor Halud is it possible for you to explain to a moron like me why you believe in a supernatural deity? Not a trick question I'm interested to try and understand bearing in mind that to be honest I'm not more than basic intelligent.

You know what hacks me off more than anything? Seeing someone do themselves down like this. Believe in your own abilities you bastard Angry

Anyway Shai Hulud sucks balls at explaining why he believes. Basically because he wants to as far as I can work out. But if you don't get it it ain't 'cos there's a problem with you.

I heard you've got a nasty mole. Fuck that too. Angry

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14-12-2016, 03:13 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 10:19 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Your no girl getter like me who can get a girl to sleep with me the first night.

Your right hand does not count as a girl.

You left hand does not count as a girl either.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I guess by those verses gods going by the percieved natural order of things yinyang if you get what I'm saying.

Nope. You are fairly incomprehensible much of the time.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Men and women have different qualities so not to disturb I guess. You know I don't have the full truth becuase I am merely a subjective human

i.e. virgin.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  All I see is spoiled brats on here who don't want to look closely at scripture and see all that's inside it.

Judging from the posts, we know the bible better than you do.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I have no rape apologetics

Multiple posters have pointed out the many instances in this thread where you have attempted to justify acts of biblical rape.

(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I know now that it says in the new testament that if a man sleeps with a woman its sin on the man and not the woman.

And it also says in the new testament:

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall nowise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:18-19


(14-12-2016 09:45 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Mabe the old testament is the man's side of the story and the new testament is the woman's.

And maybe the whole thing should be set aside in favor of more modern thinking.

And it says if your rightousness doesnt surpass the rightousness of the pharisees you will not make it to heaven did you forget that.
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14-12-2016, 04:52 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Nice work, Socialistview.

Dodge what your fellow Christian said to you and asked of you, pointing out the flaws in your theological outlook.

Dodge what I wrote, pointing out the clear problems in your statements with respect to human rights (the point of this thread) and your apparent unwillingness to join the 21st century.

Dodge and avoid even having to think about such dangerous ideas by simply accusing everyone of being like the Pharisees.

Awesome. You should be very proud of yourself for managing that level of intellectual dishonesty.

No, really, I'm impressed!

Didn't think it was humanly possible to be that morally and intellectually bankrupt... and I'm making that statement in the Era of Trump.

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14-12-2016, 05:04 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 03:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And it says if your rightousness doesnt surpass the rightousness of the pharisees you will not make it to heaven did you forget that.

Nope. I just don't believe it.

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14-12-2016, 05:12 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 05:04 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 03:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And it says if your rightousness doesnt surpass the rightousness of the pharisees you will not make it to heaven did you forget that.

Nope. I just don't believe it.

The irony here, which I'm a little shocked our theology-loving pal SV here doesn't seem to understand, is that the statements that were made about the Pharisees were all made (mostly by Jesus) in reference to the fact that they're extremely strict about adhering to religious laws in the Old Testament but poor at being morally upright beyond what those laws state. Jesus was warning that the path to heaven, and righteousness, was found in the Golden Rule and in serving God by being good to one's fellow man (e.g. the Parable of the Good Samaritan, which he told when asked about how to be a "neighbor" to one's fellow man and thus attain salvation).

By trying to cite OT law at us and defend it even in the face of the inhumane elements of that old outlook, SV is doing exactly what Jesus was warning against. He is the Pharisee.

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14-12-2016, 05:30 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 05:12 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Jesus was warning that the path to heaven, and righteousness, was found in the Golden Rule and in serving God by being good to one's fellow man (e.g. the Parable of the Good Samaritan, which he told when asked about how to be a "neighbor" to one's fellow man and thus attain salvation).

Or to put it another way, "Dump all those religious rules and regulations, and just be a humanist." Thumbsup
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14-12-2016, 06:08 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 05:30 PM)Astreja Wrote:  
(14-12-2016 05:12 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Jesus was warning that the path to heaven, and righteousness, was found in the Golden Rule and in serving God by being good to one's fellow man (e.g. the Parable of the Good Samaritan, which he told when asked about how to be a "neighbor" to one's fellow man and thus attain salvation).

Or to put it another way, "Dump all those religious rules and regulations, and just be a humanist." Thumbsup

Yeah, I think that Jesus the man, if there really was such a person (which I suspect, given the evidence I've seen, there was), was as close as you could be back then to being an activist/advocate for humanism without getting executed.

Oh, wait.

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14-12-2016, 06:31 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(14-12-2016 03:13 PM)socialistview Wrote:  And it says if your rightousness doesnt surpass the rightousness of the pharisees you will not make it to heaven did you forget that.

Let's try a different tack...

Why should anybody take what the bible says as anything other than stories? There are many other "scriptures", many of which were written earlier. There are also many other writings that tell stories from the Epic of Gilgamesh to the Iliad to The Canterbury Tales to Great Expectations....

You seem to think that the bible is special but there is no reason to assume that. It is just a book.

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14-12-2016, 06:58 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
You can't throw out some parts of the bible you take it as whole and try to understand why. The bible doesn't accept rape no matter what you think it doesn't say that or physically disgrace them but you know what im going to ask a rabbi. And rocketsurgoen you said what I've been trying to say the whole time.
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