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15-12-2016, 05:13 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 03:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I'm a really good person. Volunteer give to the poor everytime I get a chance something you can learn.

First, I don't believe you because you come across as a lying sack of shit. Second, you have no idea what charitable acts any of us have done so drop the self-righteous attitude. Besides, doesn't your holy book tell you to do your works quietly? Boasting is a sign of pride and that's surely going to lead to a fall... I think I read that somewhere.

Quote:Mabe the bible does accept some kinds of uninvolvement but I don't think god would allow it not to be recognized as it is shown. God could of said nothing but had a law which doesn't say rape but to stop it becuase if there was no law then what will the soldier do probably rape.

English. Try it. That's gibberish.

Quote:Just becuase you determine it to be rape doesn't mean they did

That's kind of the point, numbnuts. The "morality" enshrined in the bible is based on primitive tribal mores that did not give women equal consideration. Some of us have moved on from that barbarism.

Quote:you should search and read more about it instead of wikipedia that doesn't give full analysis on things.

Wikipedia can be a decent starting point to find general info and more links. All that is needed here though is to have read the bible without god glasses that make you skip over the atrocities and excuse the disgusting bits.

Quote:Astreja I would like for you to be my goddess if you know what I mean.

and it just gets creepier all the time...

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15-12-2016, 05:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 04:32 PM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 03:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I'm a really good person.
Only God can judge the hearts of people and know the truth, but from what you've posted here, I doubt that. You see, it's bugged me, who you remind me of, and I've been trying to place it. Besides some of my lewder Freshmen, that is. And then it hit me as I read your disgusting comment to Astreja. I went to church with my youth minister's son when I was a Baptist. Went to summer camp with him. He was always quoting Scripture, ignoring the parts he didn't like, trying to preach and convert people, and was also a tad creepy. He ended up being arrested for, I believe it was seven counts, of soliciting minors via the internet at the age of 31. That's what your rhetoric keeps reminding me of.

Quote:Volunteer give to the poor everytime I get a chance
Good, that makes two of us. I've recorded parents reading books to their children in jail cells and then sent the CD and book to the family, so the kid could hear their parent's voice. I've helped with a chapel service in a maximum security facility. Worked with soup kitchens, Habitat for Humanity, and many others during the years. Donate to an anti-human trafficking group. None of that means I'm a good person necessarily, nor does it mean I'm doing so for the purest reasons possibly, but I'm also not doing it because the Bible encourages me to do so to store up treasures in Heaven.

And that, is the heart of this thread, not your constant rape apologetics. Why do we do things that are "moral"? Personally, I don't do those to curry favor with God, or get a crown in Heaven. As far as I'm concerned, God can reward or it not, He doesn't need me to do those things and only do it to please him. The reasons I've done those things is because of empathy and compassion. The reason for those things isn't because I'm a Catholic Christian, it's because I'm a human being that sees people who need help and I was in a position to offer a little bit of it.

Quote: something you can learn.
Sigh. You realize this site and the podcast associated with it has raised money to send kids to summer camp, to build a well for clean drinking water for a village in Africa, and other things, right? Plus, if you'll refer back to my comment about how only God can judge the hearts of men and women, how would you know they need to learn that?

Quote:Mabe the bible does accept some kinds of uninvolvement but I don't think god would allow it not to be recognized as it is shown. God could of said nothing but had a law which doesn't say rape but to stop it becuase if there was no law then what will the soldier do probably rape. Just becuase you determine it to be rape doesn't mean they did you should search and read more about it instead of wikipedia that doesn't give full analysis on things.
People have searched further than Wikipedia, and even quoted your own links against you...repeatedly.

Quote: Astreja I would like for you to be my goddess if you know what I mean.

That if this was online she should get a restraining order against you because you sound like a stalker and potential rapist?

Im a hearthrob all thats below my level. I really am a good caring person trying to give light to people who havent read the bible becuase of some selective verses they see as not good.
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15-12-2016, 05:18 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 05:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  really am a good caring person trying to give light to people who havent read the bible becuase of some selective verses they see as not good.

The problem is that we HAVE read it, including all the bits that you gloss over.

You still haven't explained why it should be considered as anything more than a collection of Hebrew myths and legends.

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15-12-2016, 06:07 PM (This post was last modified: 15-12-2016 06:26 PM by Bzltyr.)
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 05:18 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 05:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  really am a good caring person trying to give light to people who havent read the bible becuase of some selective verses they see as not good.

The problem is that we HAVE read it, including all the bits that you gloss over.

You still haven't explained why it should be considered as anything more than a collection of Hebrew myths and legends.

Hello. I just joined your forum and I am looking for a place to spend my time and energies.
The Bible as a history is very accurate. The Bible has many many prophecies that have been realized.
The Bible was written over a very long period of time and yet has a cohesive message.
With all the writers is does not contradict itself. It is without a doubt the most influential book ever written.

Just a start.
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15-12-2016, 06:08 PM (This post was last modified: 15-12-2016 06:12 PM by epronovost.)
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 04:43 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know they did stuff they didn't tell I read before that they wiped the dude and this is from a jewish dude saying this. It does say in the mitvah that a man had to be aware of his wife needs meaning he couldn't force her to have sex but wait till she was ready. And god said he created man and women equal even in the new testament. You know why they used bride feeit was becuase they could use it as a means to support the loss they recieved by not having that person in the household right.

If you want to resume the Bible, both 1st and 2nd Testament, opinion of women, here's the version in bullet point.

1) Men and women are equal before God for they are both his servants and are judged by him come their death (the addition of the 2nd Testament is the second part of that point).

2) Men are the leaders and rulers and women are their servants.

3) Leaders and rulers (AKA men) should not abuse of their power and be cruel.

4) Servants (AKA women) must obey and be thankfull of all things.

5) a men's worth is determined by his birthright and his work.

6) A women's worth is determined by her birthright and her virginity and represent half of the worth of a men of the same station.

7) A men can have as many spouse as he can afford. A women can have only one husband.

8) Women are property of their fathers and when adult of their husbands. In the abscence of one or the other its her brother or brother in-law who owns them.

9) Sex crimes are property crimes.

10) Marriage is a contract between the husband and the father of the bride. The bride has no regard on who she marries.

11) The dotery of the bride is the property of her husband in Hebrew tradtion. This isn't Summeria, Akkad or Persia (where the bride owned it).

12) Women cannot hold lands or commerce, but can assist their husband or father in the commerce of cloth and dyes and work the land of her husband.

13) Women cannot be priests, scholars, healers, lawyers or military leaders.


Its absolutly without doubt that in the Bible and in all the culture that followed it, That the status of women is much inferior to that of a men. Its without contest that women have been victim of this oppressive social structure. Its without contest that this social structure, while stable and orderly, has held back human advancement in all domains from science, to art passing by philosophy and medecine. While hte Hebrews were not the worst civilisation when it came to slaves and women's rights (AKA those human being who are property), they were far from being the best either.

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15-12-2016, 06:45 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
They weren't property nowhere in the bible it says that. And also the warrior they had was deborah they had queens also and leaders doesn't mean not equal your just adding your own words to what is being said. Women by jewish law were seen with respect and she could remarry how many times she wanted. And see was being cared for that's what that means.
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15-12-2016, 06:50 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 06:45 PM)socialistview Wrote:  They weren't property nowhere in the bible it says that.

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

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15-12-2016, 06:51 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 06:07 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 05:18 PM)unfogged Wrote:  The problem is that we HAVE read it, including all the bits that you gloss over.

You still haven't explained why it should be considered as anything more than a collection of Hebrew myths and legends.

Hello. I just joined your forum and I am looking for a place to spend my time and energies.
The Bible as a history is very accurate. The Bible has many many prophecies that have been realized.
The Bible was written over a very long period of time and yet has a cohesive message.
With all the writers is does not contradict itself. It is without a doubt the most influential book ever written.

Just a start.

Are you fucking kidding me ? There are loads of contradictions in the bible. You do realise you are on an atheist forum are you sure you wouldn't be happier on a forum for believers?
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15-12-2016, 06:53 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 06:07 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The Bible as a history is very accurate.

Not really... Genesis does not describe how the earth formed, there was no global flood, the tower of babel is not how different languages started, there was no exodus from Egypt, the list goes on. It has some things right but much of it is just myth.

Quote:The Bible has many many prophecies that have been realized.

such as?

Quote:The Bible was written over a very long period of time and yet has a cohesive message.

The Star Trek franchise has been going for 50+ years and has a cohesive message. Fan fiction often does. These are not independent accounts that were later merged; the later writers knew the earlier writings and parts were edited to make it seem consistent.

Quote:With all the writers is does not contradict itself.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/co..._name.html

Not all are good examples but there are contradictions.

Quote: It is without a doubt the most influential book ever written.

Arguable, but possible. It doesn't make it true.

Quote:Just a start.

Not a good one, I'm afraid.

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15-12-2016, 07:01 PM
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SV you are the complete antithesis of a heartthrob you come across as at best a person with a shitty theology and at worse a creepy stalker. Quit with the creepy shit directed to female members, I would imagine that sort of behavior will get you banned if you continue with it.
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