Christian vs. Humanist Morality
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15-12-2016, 08:07 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 08:00 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Are you fucking kidding me ? There are loads of contradictions in the bible. You do realise you are on an atheist forum are you sure you wouldn't be happier on a forum for believers?



Not kidding. I spent years debating those who believed there were contradictions and errors in the Bible and I spanked them up and down every thread.

Forums for the believers is like having a talk with the choir - way too boring.

Please, by all means, start spanking. Thumbsup
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15-12-2016, 08:09 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 06:53 PM)unfogged Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 06:07 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The Bible as a history is very accurate.

Not really... Genesis does not describe how the earth formed, there was no global flood, the tower of babel is not how different languages started, there was no exodus from Egypt, the list goes on. It has some things right but much of it is just myth.

That is an awesome assertion. You saying it means nothing.

Quote:The Bible has many many prophecies that have been realized.

such as?

Have you heard of Jesus?

Quote:The Bible was written over a very long period of time and yet has a cohesive message.

The Star Trek franchise has been going for 50+ years and has a cohesive message. Fan fiction often does. These are not independent accounts that were later merged; the later writers knew the earlier writings and parts were edited to make it seem consistent.

More assertions. Later writers wrote factually. Critical analysis has proven the historic integrity of the gospels.

Quote:With all the writers is does not contradict itself.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/co..._name.html

Not all are good examples but there are contradictions.

I have reviewed that site and all of them have been debunked as not contradictions but mis-readings and a sophomoric understanding of the writings.

Quote: It is without a doubt the most influential book ever written.

Arguable, but possible. It doesn't make it true.

Quote:Just a start.

Not a good one, I'm afraid.

I disagree. It was an fantastic start. The battle has begun just as I wanted. Being lazy will not work with me. If you want to dispute me you will have to do your homework.
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15-12-2016, 08:11 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Sorry for the messed up post I will have to get used to this style of posting. I have comments interspersed throughout the text.

I will do better.
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15-12-2016, 08:12 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
B, this thread is about Christian versus Humanist moral concepts. The discussion about Biblical historicity (or lack thereof) and accuracy (or lack thereof) would make an excellent new thread, but it's not really appropriate for this thread.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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15-12-2016, 08:13 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Thanks for the welcome Rocket. I have some scholarship already and I will just have to refresh my memory.
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15-12-2016, 08:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 06:45 PM)socialistview Wrote:  They weren't property nowhere in the bible it says that. And also the warrior they had was deborah they had queens also and leaders doesn't mean not equal your just adding your own words to what is being said. Women by jewish law were seen with respect and she could remarry how many times she wanted. And see was being cared for that's what that means.

A leader is a person who is superior in a hierarchy to the other. Thus not equal. If men are leader and women are servants, men and women aren't equal. One has more power, respect and authority than the other. This is even more true when one has a leader position thanks to birthright. Queens are the king servants and rare are the queens who wield any real power in such society. Sure they have prestige and riches that the common man doesn't have, but that queens claim to power is tenuous at best. Much like children aren't equal to parents, women were not equal to men in the Hebrew society. It doesn't mean they were not precious, loved and cared for in the best situation (and terribly exploited in the worst one's). But they were not equal. No matter how much you are loved or cared for, it will never replace respect, authority and independance.

PS: There is a huge difference between having a harem and remarrying several time.

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15-12-2016, 08:14 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Thanks Rocket. I was replying to another's post.

I will stick to the subject.
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15-12-2016, 08:15 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 08:09 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  I disagree. It was an fantastic start. The battle has begun just as I wanted. Being lazy will not work with me. If you want to dispute me you will have to do your homework.

Perhaps an introduction post in the intro thread and maybe starting a new thread for a new topic? This thread is dying far too slowly.

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Freedom offers opportunity. Opportunity confers responsibility. Responsibility to use the freedom we enjoy wisely, honestly and humanely. ~ Noam Chomsky
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15-12-2016, 08:16 PM
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(15-12-2016 08:06 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Oh this is going to be fun. I grew up in a fundamentalist church and was trained in evangelical apologetics... almost those identical words once came out of my mouth.

I predict one of two things will happen with Bzltyr. Either he will cherry pick and ignore our serious replies, focusing only on those who swear at or otherwise berate him (that is, those who conform to his prejudices about atheists), or else he will demonstrate intellectual dishonesty of the type SV has been kind enough to put on display for us.

I do so enjoy these Liars For Jesus™. Can't wait to see which version it is.


Such low expectations. I am hurt.
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15-12-2016, 08:18 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 08:09 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Being lazy will not work with me. If you want to dispute me you will have to do your homework.

Posting extravagant claims without evidence is the epitome of laziness.

As the saying goes: "That which is presented without evidence..."

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