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16-12-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 08:30 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Christian morality states that if you even think you should do good and do not then you have sinned. Try to find a moral code that is higher.

You consider thought crime to be at the pinnacle of moral codes? From my perspective almost any other basis would be better.

(15-12-2016 08:53 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Christian morality has not change for two thousand years.

We know. That's the problem. Some of us have looked at the results and decided that something better is needed.

Quote:I murder wrong? Some places - others places not so much. There is a tribe in Africa where just about every year one member of the tribe is murdered. Without that murder the tribe would fail due to over population. Murder works for them.

So you accept relative morality. Interesting. I do not. By my view of morality the idea that something "works" is irrelevant if it impinges on the rights of others like that.

As was already asked, please provide a reference for this tribe that regularly practices murder for population control.

(15-12-2016 09:02 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Yes, there are rules for slavery - slavery was bond servants.

It is always amazing how apologists stop reading at that point and don't talk about the enslavement of non-Hebrews or the little trick of giving a "servant" a wife so that you can lure him to remain your property after the bond period.

We won't even get into the concept of "giving" a wife to a servant.

Quote:Does not condone rape. I read the website posted earlier about rape and the Bible recognizes that rape exist but does not condone it.

When a book supposedly inspired by a god mentions slavery and rape and gives rules about when where, and how they can take place instead of forbidding the acts then it is, at least tacitly, condoning those acts.

Quote:Incest - -NOT

Again, it sets up situations where incest is the only option and records many instances when it wasn't the only option. There are a few relationships that are forbidden but incest in general is not condemned. The clear implication is that it is not considered to be an issue.

Quote:Genocide. Old Testament.

Good to know that the 10 commandments (along with the other 603) and all the history and legends that the new testament is based on is to be ignored.

(15-12-2016 09:27 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Not really. A man could "sell" their kids to settle a debt. The kid would work to settle the debt and then go back home.

That is not a morally defensible act in my opinion. If a man wishes to "sell" himself in order to pay off a debt that is his business. If anybody volunteers to work off another's debt that is between them. If a man orders his child into servitude of any form he is an immoral jackass.

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16-12-2016, 08:59 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
I wonder if Bzltyr will return or if he's a one day wonder. Consider Drinking Beverage
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16-12-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 06:29 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 10:33 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Is there a thread on the lie of evolution?

Really?

Kitzmiller v Dover was the final nail in the anti-evolution coffin.

The only thing left is self delusion and ignorance.

Why would anyone ever go to an atheist forum to discuss evolution? Facepalm
Evolution is not tied to atheism at all, its tied to biology. Facepalm Facepalm
Go to a biology forum with a shitload of PhDs, try to convince them, and then one of you (you or the conveted biologist) let us know here? Ill wait. Drinking Beverage Not that its relevant tho (see above).

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16-12-2016, 09:29 AM
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(16-12-2016 08:59 AM)adey67 Wrote:  I wonder if Bzltyr will return or if he's a one day wonder. Consider Drinking Beverage

Oh, I am a wonder all right.
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16-12-2016, 09:38 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 05:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Im a hearthrob all thats below my level.
Are you related to Donald Trump?

(15-12-2016 05:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I really am a good caring person...
Um yeah, you're not convincing us of that by rape apologizing and harassing members.

(15-12-2016 05:14 PM)socialistview Wrote:  ...trying to give light to people who havent read the bible becuase of some selective verses they see as not good.
That's hilarious from someone who doesn't even read the replies in this thread, let alone the entire bible, and who cherry-picks already cherry-picked parts of the bible.

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16-12-2016, 09:44 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 09:26 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 06:29 AM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  Really?

Kitzmiller v Dover was the final nail in the anti-evolution coffin.

The only thing left is self delusion and ignorance.

Why would anyone ever go to an atheist forum to discuss evolution? Facepalm
Evolution is not tied to atheism at all, its tied to biology. Facepalm Facepalm
Go to a biology forum with a shitload of PhDs, try to convince them, and then one of you (you or the conveted biologist) let us know here? Ill wait. Drinking Beverage Not that its relevant tho (see above).

Come on, a court case to settle whether or not there is sufficient evidence to prove evolution. Absurd. I suspected that there is a thread on evolution here and I found it.
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16-12-2016, 09:50 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 11:00 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(15-12-2016 08:53 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Validity is a good term. Consistency is an important factor in validity. How can a set of morals have validity when from one day to the next or from one culture to another the "rules" change.

Christian morality has not change for two thousand years.

I murder wrong? Some places - others places not so much. There is a tribe in Africa where just about every year one member of the tribe is murdered. Without that murder the tribe would fail due to over population. Murder works for them.

Name the tribe fucker.

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16-12-2016, 09:55 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 10:49 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  BWAHAHA okay now you're just trolling us, Bz.

Evolution is reality. You want to learn how we know that's true from DNA alone, read The Language of God by (evangelical Christian, head of the National Institutes of Health, and former head of the Human Genome Project) Dr. Francis S. Collins.

It's available online in pdf format:

http://www.difa3iat.com/wp-content/uploa...ollins.pdf


But back to the point. No, I have Google and I'm unfamiliar with (and unable to find) any Jewish scholars who would claim that Isaiah 7 refers to a virgin or that it is a valid prophecy of Jesus, as opposed to a reference to something that would happen in the day of the king to whom the book/chapter is addressed. I can find lots of Christians willing to make up a bunch of bullshit about it, but that's not what I asked you for. You claim there are Jewish scholars who'd defend the passage in Matthew that claims Isaiah 7 is referencing a virgin giving birth to a child in the time of Jesus?

It doesn't exist. There's nothing to Google. You're a Liar For Jesus™.

Alma discussion. http://www.hebroots.org/hebrootsarchive/...218_d.html
This was my first try. You should try harder you may be persuaded - maybe not.

Should I change my name to Liar For Jesus or are you going to get off that dime and address issues and not call people names. I used to do that in grade school - it worked real well then. It is not working on me now.
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16-12-2016, 09:55 AM (This post was last modified: 16-12-2016 10:00 AM by Deesse23.)
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 09:44 AM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 09:26 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Why would anyone ever go to an atheist forum to discuss evolution? Facepalm
Evolution is not tied to atheism at all, its tied to biology. Facepalm Facepalm
Go to a biology forum with a shitload of PhDs, try to convince them, and then one of you (you or the conveted biologist) let us know here? Ill wait. Drinking Beverage Not that its relevant tho (see above).

Come on, a court case to settle whether or not there is sufficient evidence to prove evolution. Absurd. I suspected that there is a thread on evolution here and I found it.
Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually fulfilled atheist. [Dawkins, 1986, p. 6]

So you arent interested in learning something (from biologists for example) but rather are looking for a place to troll, got it. Drinking Beverage
You also could have learned that KvD wasnt about evidence to prove evolution, but about ID being religious in nature and not scientific, so it has no place in biology classes.

I seriously suggest you try a biology forum first. Drinking Beverage

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16-12-2016, 09:59 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(15-12-2016 10:49 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Evolution is reality. You want to learn how we know that's true from DNA alone, read The Language of God by (evangelical Christian, head of the National Institutes of Health, and former head of the Human Genome Project) Dr. Francis S. Collins.
It's available online in pdf format:
http://www.difa3iat.com/wp-content/uploa...ollins.pdf

Read it.
Read Michael Behe's Edge of Evolution. A microbiologist who proves that there has not been sufficient time for the number of generation with beneficial mutation for life to be as diverse as it is. Darwinism has limits - mutation and random selection has limits.
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