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16-12-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Paul was greek so the new testament was mostly written in greek then translated to english though I heard the king James changed it becuase he wsnted to get married to a divorced woman.
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16-12-2016, 03:39 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
I will try to highlight my sarcasm and weak jokes more clearly.
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16-12-2016, 03:46 PM
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(16-12-2016 03:30 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  The Ruler was a Jew and thought he had earned his way in by following the commandments. Jesus was highlighting that by the ruler's own beliefs he had failed to keep the first commandment. Jesus was speaking with the ruler in a language the ruler could understand.

Sure, the writings of Paul, James, John etc. It is all in there. It is the message.

Weak response. Still sounds like "because I said so".
It looks to me like it's Jesus who said so, but because James said something that you believe is different, you're discarding what Jesus said. Furthermore, how is it that James is contradicting Jesus? I thought God was supposed to have inspired the biblical authors? So it should be consistent.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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16-12-2016, 03:51 PM
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(16-12-2016 03:35 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Weak response - I am not cherry picking the difference between the version is minor.
I'll let it go. There are far more relevant points. But it is cherry-picking. You said earlier that you don't know the original languages so how can you possibly know that one verse in KJV is more correct while another in NIV is more correct?

(16-12-2016 03:35 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Another weak response - Jesus brought the message to the Jew first in the Jew's language - understanding - the NT writers after the Gospels were to new Christians and explaining what happened when Jesus died on the Cross.
What doesn't make sense is that their message is different. Jesus should be the authority. If the NT authors contradicted him, they are wrong. He's God. And God's inspiration apparently failed with them too.

I am not accountable to any God. I am accountable to myself - and not because I think I am God as some theists would try to assert - but because, no matter what actions I take, thoughts I think, or words I utter, I have to be able to live with myself.
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16-12-2016, 03:54 PM (This post was last modified: 16-12-2016 03:59 PM by adey67.)
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 03:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Paul was greek so the new testament was mostly written in greek then translated to english though I heard the king James changed it becuase he wsnted to get married to a divorced woman.

I was right wasn't I bitch?????? !!!!! Laugh out load Consider yourself highly fortunate to still be here. Big Grin
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16-12-2016, 04:44 PM
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(16-12-2016 03:54 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 03:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Paul was greek so the new testament was mostly written in greek then translated to english though I heard the king James changed it becuase he wsnted to get married to a divorced woman.

I was right wasn't I bitch?????? !!!!! Laugh out load Consider yourself highly fortunate to still be here. Big Grin

I am lost. What are you talking about?
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16-12-2016, 06:23 PM
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(16-12-2016 02:38 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Response to Astreja

If you get cut off in traffic and get mad at the other driver and yet you do not give him the finger or ram him with your car you can claim a moral victory. The Christian has only met the standard by not feeling any ill-will towards the other driver.

I say good for you for not ramming the guy but your morals are carnal - at the sensory level. The Christian is at a higher level, spiritual - how do I feel about the person who wronged me.

No, the Christian is not at a "higher level" and there is nothing the least bit spiritual about being able to control one's temper or confront one's feelings. You do not hold a monopoly on emotional and mental self-control, you never did, and you never will. Buddhism had a vastly superior methodology for such things literally hundreds of years before Christianity, and that methodology with all the mystical woo-woo stripped out of it, known to the modern world as mindfulness, is even better. Combine it with cognitive behavioural therapy and it's extremely effective.

All you're doing is impeding the process of self-actualization by tying it to a silly-ass mythology and slathering it with a totally unproductive guilt trip.
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16-12-2016, 06:34 PM (This post was last modified: 16-12-2016 06:37 PM by Fatbaldhobbit.)
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(16-12-2016 02:21 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was quoting you at the beginning. You said to me "I challenge you to defend them."
Start a thread and I will defend them.

No.

You claimed christian morality was superior.

I challenged it with specific examples.

ETA: Just saw the other thread. Not happy with that. Angry

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Freedom offers opportunity. Opportunity confers responsibility. Responsibility to use the freedom we enjoy wisely, honestly and humanely. ~ Noam Chomsky
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16-12-2016, 06:53 PM
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(16-12-2016 06:34 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 02:21 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was quoting you at the beginning. You said to me "I challenge you to defend them."
Start a thread and I will defend them.

No.

You claimed christian morality was superior.

I challenged it with specific examples.

ETA: Just saw the other thread. Not happy with that. Angry

As I said in the post I will delete it if you want me to.
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16-12-2016, 07:29 PM
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(16-12-2016 04:44 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 03:54 PM)adey67 Wrote:  I was right wasn't I bitch?????? !!!!! Laugh out load Consider yourself highly fortunate to still be here. Big Grin

I am lost. What are you talking about?
Sorry man not you I'm talking to someone else
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