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16-12-2016, 08:16 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 12:59 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 11:20 AM)DLJ Wrote:  I'm given to believe that a large number of christians voted for Trump. So not only did they not do good but they went further and did bad.

Are they therefore christians who lack christian morality or are they unchristian?

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Woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head...

Eagerly expecting to see an answer to my question ... disappoint.

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(16-12-2016 02:32 PM)Impulse Wrote:  ...
(16-12-2016 02:19 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  That does not mean He did not espouse Christian doctrine.
As Jesus himself stated, keeping the commandments IS Christian doctrine. ...

Very unlikely that Jesus stated that... given that christians were called Nazarenes for a couple of generations after the cross-fiction.

(16-12-2016 03:39 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Paul was greek so the new testament was mostly written in greek then translated to english though I heard the king James changed it becuase he wsnted to get married to a divorced woman.

Yeah, that's right.

Because if he hadn't changed it his son, Henry VIII, wouldn't have been considered legitimate in the eyes of Pope Balderdash III.

Laugh out load

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16-12-2016, 08:24 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:11 PM)pablo Wrote:  So they're all alone there?
I'm pretty sure you you indicated earlier that sinners went to hell.

Made for them - never intended for humans but alas some choose it over Heaven.
...........Ah yes, the ridiculous nonsense of fairy tale books.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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16-12-2016, 08:36 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:11 PM)pablo Wrote:  So they're all alone there?
I'm pretty sure you you indicated earlier that sinners went to hell.

Made for them - never intended for humans but alas some choose it over Heaven.

I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.
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16-12-2016, 08:46 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:36 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Made for them - never intended for humans but alas some choose it over Heaven.

I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.
It's like saying all creatures choose to die

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16-12-2016, 08:46 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:11 PM)pablo Wrote:  So they're all alone there?
I'm pretty sure you you indicated earlier that sinners went to hell.

Made for them - never intended for humans but alas some choose it over Heaven.

Well that clears it up. Nice slithering.
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16-12-2016, 08:47 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:36 PM)adey67 Wrote:  I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.

I think they just don't want to consider the possibility that their god is evil.

What I've never been able to figure out is how they could trust a god that would create such a place as hell. For all they really know their god could just be stringing them along, with no intention of letting them into heaven.
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16-12-2016, 08:49 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:16 PM)DLJ Wrote:  Woke up, got out of bed, dragged a comb across my head...

Just another day in the life... Wink
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16-12-2016, 08:53 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:36 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:13 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  Made for them - never intended for humans but alas some choose it over Heaven.

I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.

And this particular deity knew in advance and had pre-knowledge of who, what, when, where, how and why his creations would go to hell. He knew every choice everyone would make, when they would make it and why. Yet he went ahead and chose to create them anyway. What a moronic god story. One of the worst written god stories out there.

How people believe this stunning bunch of bullshit is beyond me. It's like they've been brainwashed or something. Oh.....Dodgy

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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16-12-2016, 09:02 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:53 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:36 PM)adey67 Wrote:  I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.

And this particular deity knew in advance and had pre-knowledge of who, what, when, where, how and why his creations would go to hell. He knew every choice everyone would make, when they would make it and why. Yet he went ahead and chose to create them anyway. What a moronic god story. One of the worst written god stories out there.

How people believe this stunning bunch of bullshit is beyond me. It's like they've been brainwashed or something. Oh.....Dodgy
Couldn't agree more, the infinite punishment for finite crime is what I find the most distasteful no christian has ever been able to explain how this is just and good, I have to admit I do lash out at them on here which is probably a bit mean of me but I just find them so intensely frustrating.
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16-12-2016, 10:52 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(16-12-2016 08:47 PM)Astreja Wrote:  
(16-12-2016 08:36 PM)adey67 Wrote:  I love how christians say people choose to go to hell, excusing god and his torture chamber at every turn.

I think they just don't want to consider the possibility that their god is evil.

What I've never been able to figure out is how they could trust a god that would create such a place as hell. For all they really know their god could just be stringing them along, with no intention of letting them into heaven.

If I was the Devil (and also there really was such a thing as the Devil), I would do my best to create a scripture that painted God as barbaric and selfish, demanding of worship, and invasive of our thoughts... all to lead people away from the worship of a God that's actually a decent and loving creature. I would tell people that they are flawed, and that forgiveness is not free. To compound the problem, I'd twist the word "love" until it was used by Believers to refer to this creature that makes vicarious blood sacrifices, creates torture places, and sends anyone there who offends it... so that they can't even recognize what actual love is, anymore.

I'd slander the real God with as much Orwellian nonsense as I could manage, until none of the prominent religions on earth were ones that led people to the actual path to heaven... instead making people bigoted and self-deprecating and dependent on a rulebook to tell them what their value is-- which is "nothing without my book".

In short, I think if there was a Devil, he would create Christianity.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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