Christian vs. Humanist Morality
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19-12-2016, 06:07 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(19-12-2016 05:23 AM)morondog Wrote:  You are like a kid telling me to walk backwards when going to bed in case the monster gets me. I might do it just because you are a kid, to allay your fears, but the monster is not there.

Great analogy... I'm stealing that one.

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19-12-2016, 06:08 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(19-12-2016 03:53 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  That is a lot of hybris from someone we already have demonstraed to be ignorant of so many things, his own bible in particular.

pssst.... *hubris

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19-12-2016, 06:33 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Bz has failed to give any sort of believable or satisfactory explanation of why finite crimes against his god deserve infinite punishment couple that with a significant portion of his creation thinking that his moral judgments are in fact moral atrocities how are we supposed to be convinced ? If you make something and it doesn't understand you isn't that your fault ?

Bz I too respect your right to believe what ever you want, in fact I would fight on your behalf for that right but I don't have to respect the belief itself or the right to propagate it to the point where things become so ridiculous you have to convince someone to undergo mental gymnastics to make sense of it.
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19-12-2016, 08:12 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(19-12-2016 06:08 AM)unfogged Wrote:  
(19-12-2016 03:53 AM)Deesse23 Wrote:  That is a lot of hybris from someone we already have demonstraed to be ignorant of so many things, his own bible in particular.

pssst.... *hubris

psss....hybris...in German Tongue
will.translate.correctly.next.time.promised. Thumbsup

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19-12-2016, 08:54 AM
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Oh I just love it when they use the "it's a theory not a law!" argument.

This is the scientific equivalent of me saying, "Well you Christians say that Mary is a goddess and you worship her!"

There's no quicker way to reveal that one is ignorant of the subject than making such a statement, in either case.

The difference is that we would have the goddamned common decency to feel shame if we expressed such a bogus sentiment about religion and then were corrected but refused to accept that we were wrong about it.

Christians somehow have the (seemingly magical!) ability to go right on saying "It's a theory not a law!" even after the literal definitions of these terms are shown to them. It's not a concept that can be argued over, it's the literal definition of the words.

It's amazing. I could not live with myself if I was so dishonest.

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19-12-2016, 02:37 PM
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(18-12-2016 03:16 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  [...] What's the point of all the discussion? You say I have to give evidence.

Well naturally. Any/all of your biblical claims must be supported by empirical evidence. Otherwise they're nothing more than baseless guesses on your part.

(18-12-2016 03:16 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  That won't matter because you will have evidence for the opposite view and you will accept that instead.

No, we won't have evidence for the "opposite view". We'll have evidence.

(18-12-2016 03:16 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  That is why I try to stick to just trying to tell the story the way the Bible states it and there is no evidence for that other than the Bible itself. Doesn't mean it is not true.

So you're so-called "evidence" for the flood is correct because it's written in your bible? And what's written in your bible is true because of..... what exactly? What makes your 2,500-year-old holy book any more legitimate than, say, "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"—written in a far more enlightened and technically advanced society?

This is a long-standing problem for theists to overcome—proving their bible is not largely a book of fiction, fantasy, and fabrication. And as of now they still haven't done so. And never will.

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19-12-2016, 02:41 PM
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(18-12-2016 03:59 PM)Bzltyr Wrote:  No, I may deny what you accept as scientific fact. I have read and believe other scientists.

So, you are willingly ignorant.

Good to know.

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19-12-2016, 03:02 PM
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(19-12-2016 01:20 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Well evolution again is a theory not a truth or a law. We still have yet to find good supporting evidence for transmutation. Theories have lasted hundreds of years then debunked hundred years later just because it seems right doesn't mean well find it correct later.

I really think you're playing with semantics here. A "theory" is universally accepted as the truth. Can you cite even one current scientific theory that is—in your opinion—known to be untruthful?

And a "law" is a principle or regulation that's established in a community by some authority and is applicable to its people. In other words, it's manmade, whereas theories are concomitant with nature.

—And I have no idea what your intention is by mentioning transmutation. What does that have to do with anything?

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19-12-2016, 03:04 PM
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I was sorta hopeful he'd be back Undecided Oh well. Seems like he mighta left the building for good this time.

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19-12-2016, 03:11 PM
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(19-12-2016 03:04 PM)morondog Wrote:  I was sorta hopeful he'd be back Undecided Oh well. Seems like he mighta left the building for good this time.

Could be just work... I doubt we've seen the last of him. He's far too arrogant to give up that easily.

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