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26-12-2016, 08:05 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(25-12-2016 08:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't get it what makes you not believe in god. Mabe the jews and romans destroyed all evidence of jesus.
Maybe they also destroyed the evidence that clearly showed Jesus was the Satan reborn and believing in him will cause eternal punishment upon you from a vengeful god.

Maybe they erased the evidence he was actually an alien from the prime centuri star systems and acient alien ideas were real but they watch you and beam your minds into an afterlife computing system upon death if you don't fall for the phony god part of his legend.

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27-12-2016, 01:35 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(25-12-2016 08:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  Mabe the jews and romans destroyed all evidence of jesus.

It might be a tumor!




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27-12-2016, 02:31 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(25-12-2016 08:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't get it what makes you not believe in god. Mabe the jews and romans destroyed all evidence of jesus.

But why would they do that? And how? Wiping the memory and evidence of someone isn't an easy task.

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27-12-2016, 02:40 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(25-12-2016 08:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't get it what makes you not believe in god. Mabe the jews and romans destroyed all evidence of jesus.

You can't hear it, but there is a sound ringing in my ears.

That sound you can't hear is the screaming of my brain cells.

Brain cells that are committing ritual suicide because they have been dishonored.

They could not live with the shame of having to process something so stupid as the shit you keep posting.

Please, before you post, think of the brain cells.

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27-12-2016, 03:20 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(27-12-2016 02:40 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(25-12-2016 08:00 PM)socialistview Wrote:  I don't get it what makes you not believe in god. Mabe the jews and romans destroyed all evidence of jesus.

You can't hear it, but there is a sound ringing in my ears.

That sound you can't hear is the screaming of my brain cells.

Brain cells that are committing ritual suicide because they have been dishonored.

They could not live with the shame of having to process something so stupid as the shit you keep posting.

Please, before you post, think of the brain cells.

Laugh out load

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04-01-2017, 06:41 AM
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SV seems to have made a New Year's resolution to stay away from TTA. If so, I hope he manages to keep it.

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04-01-2017, 06:44 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
I am skin and bones, I am pointy nose;
But it motherfuckin' makes me try.
Makes me try, and that ain't no wrong.
I'll tell you why...
There ain't no right!

Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Only pleasure and pain.

Motherfuckin' bad wind came, blew down my home.
Now the green grass grows.
Bad wind came, blew down my home.
Goddamn goodness knows!
Where green grass grows there can't be wrong.
And goodness knows, there ain't no right!

Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Only pleasure and pain.

Bumped my head, I'm a battering ram.
Goddamn took the pain.
Cut myself, said So what?
Motherfuckin' took the pain.
Said So what? I can't be wrong.
I thought so but there ain't no right!

Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Ain't no wrong now, ain't no right.
Only pleasure and pain.


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1985.

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05-01-2017, 12:51 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
(27-11-2016 01:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Humanist morality at best amounts to suggesting that we shouldn't do X, because it makes you uncomfortable, or it makes you feel bad.

Not sure why so many atheists who've abandon the shackles of religion, try and trade it in for the shackles of morality.

Just do you, regardless if others think it's moral or not.
Theists seem to have a huge problem with thinking morality is a thing-in-itself that has to be established by some backing authority to have any validity or even utility.

That's not what morality is. Human morality came into existence the first time two humans had to coexist or cooperate in any way. It's an emergent property of human interaction and social reciprocity. It comes from implicit and explicit negotiations of terms of engagement between individuals, families, tribes, and nations. The feedback loop is, mostly, social reciprocity appropriate to whatever level of interaction you are talking about.

Moral "authority" is not inherent in morality, it is just a function of social reciprocity. If you are a threat to others you will be sanctioned in some way. The tools might be legal or penal or mechanisms of acclaim or ostracism or more subtle social pressures. But the tools don't matter. What matters is we are hypersocial creatures who need each other and so we figure out ethics and morals that allow that to happen smoothly. There is no discrete "strong man" acting as enforcer, nor is one at all needed.

The irony in all this is that theists have nothing but societal morality; they just won't admit it.

Does god come down and smite you if you drive too fast or screw your neighbor's wife or fart at the dinner table? Or does society in some form do the actual objecting and punishing?

This creates the spectacle of religion simply following societal moral codes while claiming to be the inventor, originator, and protector of that borrowed morality. They pretend that secular society is holding on my a moral thread that they provide and shame the godless into reluctantly conforming to, when in fact the exact opposite is true: the religious reluctantly conform to societal norms or they would be sanctioned for not doing so.

Consider the things that evangelicals railed against three or four generations ago: the evils of listening to the radio, going to motion pictures, of women wearing skirts above the ankle or dancing or working outside the home apart from dire necessity, of using even mild cuss words or doing modest non-intoxicating social drinking, and so forth. These are things that hardly any evangelical even notices much less cares about today, and for the most part, they freely indulge in these formerly pearl-clutching activities.

Why? Because most evangelicals don't want to be the laughingstock of their communities and they want to be economically competitive, able to get and hold down jobs even if those jobs require them to work on Sunday morning or sell bikinis or whatever. They don't want to wear funny, dated clothing. In other words their high and mighty principles are very fungible beyond a certain point.

So the only morality that actually exists is the current version of your society's morality and your religious morality derives from IT rather than the inverse -- and it evolves over time, perhaps a discreet decade or two delayed, but it can't depart much from the only morality or social norms that actually exist.

Maybe this is why fundamentalist Christians for example have long dreamed of turning the US into a quasi-theocracy that makes their regressive values normative on everyone else. It would be the only way to gain a measure of control over the only morality that actually exists.
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07-01-2017, 01:22 AM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHHwUQjEYQ
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07-01-2017, 01:40 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
Ron Wyatt? Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

Here's the summary by the poster of that YouTube video:

SUMMARY NOTE: This video originally from Arkdiscovery.com claims Ron Wyatt found the Ark of the Covenant in 1982 near Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Any picture or video of the ark is not contained in the video! The thumbnail picture I've used has been floating around the internet for years but I cannot say in certainty it is not a hoax as it closely fits the biblical description. In summary there was an attempt to retrieve the ARK which led to the death of six men which was apparently covered up by Israeli officials. The story is extremely intriguing and concludes that the location has been secured until the time the ARK finds its home in the Third Jewish Temple. Presently a Jewish Temple does not exist but it is desired by many to one day be reestablished on or by the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Also note in prophecy there must be another Jewish Temple present in order for much end time prophecy to be fulfilled.

"Covered up by Israeli officials"!!! Laugh out load

Israel is currently controlled by the Likud Party. They're Zionists who believe modern Israel and ancient Israel are the same. Finding the Ark would be the greatest coup of all time for their right-wing platform. There's no way they would cover it up!

Ignorance.

Here, kid. Read a Christian's take on the fraud of Wyatt and the "discovery" of the Ark:

http://emahiser.christogenea.org/ron-wya...ul-fraud-2

[Edit: Bold emphasis in the above is my own.]

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