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26-01-2017, 11:41 PM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
You know by far you can be skeptics. But like danial when he saw that the reunification of isreal looked like it wasn't going to happen will be the same when you see jesus coming down. God wants to see if you deserve eternal life right say you don't need to earn eternal life.
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27-01-2017, 12:02 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
It's Daniel, dude. Dani-E-L. Also Israel.

The "el" is the Semitic languages' word for "god", originally a Canaanite polytheist "chief god" that became "blended" with Yahweh to form the One-god of the later Israelites, who were originally polytheists, then henotheists, themselves.

It's why so many of the words with which you're familiar (e.g. Israel, Ishmael, Bethel, Joel) are a combination of a noun and then that suffix. For instance, Daniel means "God is my Judge". Israel means "triumphant with god" (or, alternatively, "struggles with" or "conquers with", though some scholars say it comes from a Ugaritic root that makes it "God rules").

But back on point-- we're so glad we have your permission to be skeptics (yes I know you were being sarcastic-- so am I), but I think it might be time for you to practice a bit more skepticism, yourself.

If we know these things about the religion that you can only parrot, poorly, then perhaps it's time to consider a very simple question: "Do I really understand this stuff, or am I just going on what I was taught by one particular outlook?"

Before you come in here threatening us with your invisible, imaginary friend, please at least do us the common courtesy of knowing what the fuck you're talking about, first. At least the basics. Please.

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27-01-2017, 02:01 AM
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I understand that the jews were polythiestic makes since till king josiah wanted to unify. It doesn't make a difference if he was a bablyonian god I already said all religions are true like a quacker would say. I understand all thats the whole reason god harden pharohs heart so he could show the isrealites that he's god over everything and that's what he says though I can't find the verse right now. You know itsbonly your ignorance of the bible which gives your disbelief. Why god allows pain. You would know the answer if you read the bible. Mabe you need read the bible again or stop skimming and read it for the first time. You know mabe you should stop reading king james and read niv that's the english we speak now. Or mabe you should stop being so hard headed and actually try to understand the bible and its reason for what it does becuase it tells you the reason mabe not right after the story but else where.. I've seen every perspective and I know what I'm talking about I read the whole bible that's why I believe and I believe every other preacher is false except me.
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27-01-2017, 02:11 AM
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At work.

*Reads above ramble*

(O_o)

All righty then.......
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27-01-2017, 02:33 AM
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(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I've seen every perspective and I know what I'm talking about I read the whole bible that's why I believe and I believe every other preacher is false except me.

Yeah, you're the truthiest preacher that's ever preached. You can't sell this crap here. There are *many* other places where you can, where people are desperate and where you will be believed. Go and find those people. The longer you spend here the stupider you show yourself to be and the less likely people are to join your stupid cult.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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27-01-2017, 02:42 AM
RE: Christian vs. Humanist Morality
The more you talk the stupider you sound.
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27-01-2017, 02:45 AM
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(27-01-2017 02:42 AM)socialistview Wrote:  The more you talk the stupider you sound.

Once again the award for dickhead with no awareness of irony goes to SocialistView.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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27-01-2017, 03:09 AM
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Well actually, if you knew anything about the Ancient Near East, you'd know Babylon is in literally the opposite direction from where the Canaanite god named El originated... but thanks for playing. If it makes you feel any better, the god (and word) with which El was combined to form the monotheist religion, Yahweh, appears to have come from a region that borders Canaan in the direction of Babylon, so you're not tooooootally off key.

But you definitely need to work on your knowledge of the Ancient Near East, its cultures and history, and how those relate to what we have learned about how the Hebrews came to be and how the Bible was put together. Your education in that department is clearly lacking, or you would not be making such simple errors.

I have told you before: I have read the entire Bible in two translations, the KJV and the NIV, and followed the Kay Arthur "Precept Upon Precept" program which covers about 90% of the Bible line by line, in the NASB version. I have also taken a course on the History of the Bible by Dr. Paul Mirecki, who was at the time the head of the Religious Studies department at the University of Kansas, and one of the team that translated the Nag Hammadi scrolls (he reads/writes four dead languages!), not to mention all the years of Christian apologetics classes I took when I still was a Christian.

Your assertion that we are simply ignorant of the Bible is a lie. Lying for Jesus™ is still lying.

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27-01-2017, 06:39 AM
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(26-01-2017 11:41 PM)socialistview Wrote:  You know by far you can be skeptics. But like danial when he saw that the reunification of isreal looked like it wasn't going to happen will be the same when you see jesus coming down. God wants to see if you deserve eternal life right say you don't need to earn eternal life.

What if your god exists but intentionally created such a fucked up story just to weed out the gullible? if so, you're in big trouble.

By the way, if you don't change your attitude you'll be coming back as a cockroach in your next life so you better start worrying about that.


(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I already said all religions are true like a quacker would say.

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Quote:I've seen every perspective and I know what I'm talking about I read the whole bible that's why I believe and I believe every other preacher is false except me.

You funny guy. I've read it too. I've even thought about it and read other books. That's why I don't believe but do believe that that every preacher is lying, ignorant, or foolish or some combination of all three.

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27-01-2017, 08:06 AM
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(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I understand that the jews were polythiestic makes since till king josiah wanted to unify.
"makes since till"??
(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  It doesn't make a difference if he was a bablyonian god I already said all religions are true like a quacker would say.
What do ducks have to do with this?
(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  You know itsbonly your ignorance of the bible which gives your disbelief. Why god allows pain. You would know the answer if you read the bible.
I HAVE read the Bible, cover-to-cover a couple of times, and am formally educated in theology. You forget many of us are deconverts I guess. Having done that, I know some of the Bible's lame excuses for suffering and I understand how its completely illogical and conflicting teachings create the need for theists like you to construct creaky theodicies to explain the Problem of Evil. But I in no way have "the answer" you speak of.
(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Mabe you need read the bible again or stop skimming and read it for the first time. You know mabe you should stop reading king james and read niv that's the english we speak now.
Dude, PLEASE turn your spell checker on. It's MAYBE, not MABE. All your pidgin English is very distracting. Make an effort.

The NIV is an idiomatic translation, personally I always preferred the more precise NASV.
(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  Or mabe you should stop being so hard headed and actually try to understand
Ah, now it's the tired old "stubborn atheist" stereotype. Again, many, maybe even most, of us are former believers, many of us quite strident evangelical / fundamentalists like myself. It was our BELIEF in god we were being stubborn about, as every empirical observation pointed away from it. Project much?
(27-01-2017 02:01 AM)socialistview Wrote:  I believe every other preacher is false except me.
Oh brother, now you're in looney-tunes territory even with your fellow believers.
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